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snapdragon · #1 Post by **snapdragon** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:36 am

A raptor owner has just posted (on raptorchapter.org) the most horrific thing I've ever heard.
Two riders (friends of his) were riding together, both overtook some traffic and a car pulled out and killed the second rider.
But the lead rider has been charged with causing death by dangerous driving. How can this be legal?

TC · #2 Post by TC » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:56 am

snapdragon wrote:A raptor owner has just posted (on raptorchapter.org) the most horrific thing I've ever heard.
Two riders (friends of his) were riding together, both overtook some traffic and a car pulled out and killed the second rider.
But the lead rider has been charged with causing death by dangerous driving. How can this be legal?

The only way I can see that happening is if there is damming evidence against the lead rider and maybe the poster on the forum has not given the full story.

To be convicted of dangerous driving the evidence would have to be particularly strong, and the driver who pulled out should have been reported as well.

But it is very difficult to give an opinion when the full circumstances are not known, and it would be wrong to try and second guess.

snapdragon · #3 Post by **snapdragon** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:21 pm

ok, understood
Thank you for your reply TC. I realise there must be way more to this than the lad posted (or knows)

it just conjured all sort of wierd scenarios in my mind

joecrx · #4 Post by **joecrx** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:26 pm

interesting , im always at the back of the pack anyway, but i have heared if rider are in a group and an accident accurs they all can be done
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BikerGran · #5 Post by **BikerGran** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:33 pm

I've also heard that the leader of a group can be prosecuted - is two riders a group? Or maybe there were more than two.

snapdragon · #6 Post by **snapdragon** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:47 pm

so the best bet if anyone goes down is to ride off, come back the other way and pretend you've just arrived

Gio · #7 Post by **Gio** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:49 pm

snapdragon wrote:so the best bet if anyone goes down is to ride off, come back the other way and pretend you've just arrived

I don't think so, after all we are all in control (or should be) of our own actions. I'd never presume because someone I am following overtakes that its safe for me to do the same.

blinkey501 · #8 Post by **blinkey501** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:26 pm

I have heard of the lead rider being prosecuted if one of the followers in a pack gets caught and done for speeding, he too will pick up the points/fine.
The legal system thinks that the lead rider should allow for the followers to catch up and keep his speed down so those behind don't have to speed.

BikerGran · #9 Post by **BikerGran** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:44 pm

Because of this, our blurb for club runs includes instructions to ride at your own speed and not to just do what the leader does!

lazarus · #10 Post by **lazarus** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:49 am

BikerGran wrote:Because of this, our blurb for club runs includes instructions to ride at your own speed and not to just do what the leader does!

Only sensible but in my experience very difficult to do. By the time the rest of them are disappearing into the distance you start to speed up to keep up.

The OP asks " is this legal". The courts decide that. At the moment the rider has only been charged.

Gio · #11 Post by **Gio** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:20 pm

Don't forget the 2 old adages, the law is an ass and its meant to be broken

BikerGran · #12 Post by **BikerGran** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:00 pm

lazarus wrote:
BikerGran wrote:Because of this, our blurb for club runs includes instructions to ride at your own speed and not to just do what the leader does!
Only sensible but in my experience very difficult to do. By the time the rest of them are disappearing into the distance you start to speed up to keep up.

We use the 'leapfrog' marshalling system, so no-one gets lost as junctions are marked and a back marker checks that no-onme gets left behind.

Gio · #13 Post by **Gio** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:21 pm

BikerGran wrote:
lazarus wrote:
BikerGran wrote:Because of this, our blurb for club runs includes instructions to ride at your own speed and not to just do what the leader does!
Only sensible but in my experience very difficult to do. By the time the rest of them are disappearing into the distance you start to speed up to keep up.
We use the 'leapfrog' marshalling system, so no-one gets lost as junctions are marked and a back marker checks that no-onme gets left behind.

I can remember this from my old bike club they did this as a matter of course.

randomsquid · #14 Post by **randomsquid** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:18 pm

Gio wrote:Don't forget the 2 old adages, the law is an ass and its meant to be broken

You're advocating breaking asses?

flatlander · #15 Post by **flatlander** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:09 pm

Why is it no surprise that you pop up at the thought of breaking asses

Anyway I don't know the answer but I'm sure that you and bobbi are probably the best suited for getting to the bottom of this shit and box it off

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