Dale Farm

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Tweaker · #16 Post by **Tweaker** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:33 pm

Samray wrote:Simple answer ... Put Davina in charge.

I'll vote for her - don't care what the issue is

Willopotomas · #17 Post by **Willopotomas** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:58 pm

On a lighter note.. Gaddafi's dead!

BikerGran · #18 Post by **BikerGran** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:53 pm

The fact s it seems to me get twisted all the time by these people who call themselves 'travellers' but don't want to travel. A few years ago I spent some time chatting with a traveller man who was camped near where I worked (Police HQ!) and selling wooden garden furniture which is why I stopped.

He didn't have a good word to say about the people who cause all these problems - very much the way bikers are annoyed by those who ride like tw@ts and give a bad rep to the rest of us.

He said that if you know the law and live within it there are plenty of places to stop, he never had any problems with the police etc, and had been travelling for 50 years. When he and the other 3 vans left the place which was a very wide verge near a roundabout, in spite of them having been there several weeks and had camp fires etc, there was not a trace that they's been there apart from some tyre tracks.

flatlander · #19 Post by **flatlander** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:32 am

There are, to me at least, quite a few issues regarding travellers that are just plain stoopid. One is that despite the status of travellers many don't and in planning terms these are classed as resting travellers. This means they benefit from the same "rights" as travelling travellers.
The local schools are obliged to make accommodation for these temporary pupils at no small cost and should they not comply or seek to take action to enforce attendance woe betide them.

This brings into a gray area the "Hunan rights" that are often exploited by travellers to obtain planning in that thise same rights should be applied to the children. In this regard they would be in breach by preventing access to education for their offspring.

Apart from this the more straightforward issue is that travellers are a social group and not a genetically distinct tribe unlike say the basque population in Spain. As a social and cultural group they are not gypsy or Romany peoples and as I see it no more different Than Amy other social group such as say hells angels.

The 36 page document on definition of a traveller that I read makes no reference to any difference other than lifestyle and concluded that there were 4 categories of traveller. The key one being anyone who has a nomadic lifestyle. Ot does not define what constitutes a nomadic lifestyle which means I could argue that I fit the categories and that for the last few years I have merely been "resting"

So what is to stop me from enjoying the same privileges? Basically a respect forced or otherwise for the existent system. So why should I be marginalised for that. There are plenty of sites up and down the country and in Europe where caravans are welcomed in exchange for a certain level of behaviour and payment let them stay there.

As an aside planning rules also effectively prohibit, or certainly used to, the siting of official traveller sites in affluent areas

Samray · #20 Post by **Samray** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:15 am

Willopotomas wrote:On a lighter note.. Gaddafi's dead!

or one of his look alikes.

D-Rider · #21 Post by **D-Rider** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:35 am

I do find it a shame that there seems to be an increasing trend not to bring these people to trial.
Granted that the verdict is likely to be "guilty" but it would be better to remind us all of the catalogue of wrongs and to see justice being done - rather than a brief "he's gone now" moment.

Though I guess a trial would be "inconvenient" for some - unravelling the web of support, assistance and turning of blind-eyes that will inevitably have gone on over the years ...................... there again, it would be good to uncover that too.

flatlander · #22 Post by **flatlander** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:38 am

Don't worry he'll be found when they clear the next Dale Farm and he'll likely have been claing as a refugee too !

Samray · #23 Post by **Samray** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:02 am

D-Rider wrote:I've mixed feelings. Planning laws should be applied but on the other hand, our society is very intolerant of different lifestyles and fail to make adequate provision for those who travel.
One of the big problems for travellers is there is nowhere to go. There used to be an obligation for every council to provide facilities but this was never respected and subsequently abolished.

The plight of Gypsies & Travellers today is not easy. In 1968 a law was passed saying that each local council had an obligation to provide a site for every Traveller. This promise was never honoured and the sites that were provided were often old rubbish tips or even under flyovers, places no one else would want to live.

In 1994 the conservative government abolished the Caravan Sites Act and took away the obligation for local councils to provide sites. At least 5000 families were left without any legal home. The Gypsies and Travellers were told that they should look for their own sites and that councils would give them planning permission. Again this never happened and families were forced to either go into housing or apply for planning permission retrospectively, because no Gypsy could ever get planning permission granted because of local prejudice.
Now I'm not saying that the problems between the minority nomadic population and the settled population exist only on one side but if you put yourself in the position of imagining that you wish to have a nomadic lifestyle, it's difficult to see how our society makes this possible.

Send em to Coventry!!

Oh .............

D-Rider · #24 Post by **D-Rider** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:06 pm

Yes, they've arrived in the car park at work .... though it could just be a visit from the Militant Wing of the Caravan Club.

Nooj · #25 Post by **Nooj** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:59 pm

If a council house needs repair, (inhabitant normally paying rent etc..), the council deal with all repairs very quickly

No they don't, they give you all kinds of shit excuses about why they can't come out for a week or more to fix your hot water supply in the hope you'll get fed up waiting and do it yourself. Ask my pensioner parents about that.

Falcorob · #26 Post by **Falcorob** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:09 pm

Nooj wrote:
If a council house needs repair, (inhabitant normally paying rent etc..), the council deal with all repairs very quickly
No they don't, they give you all kinds of shit excuses about why they can't come out for a week or more to fix your hot water supply in the hope you'll get fed up waiting and do it yourself. Ask my pensioner parents about that.

And mine. Quick repairs and the Council usually mean 'Bodge' anyway. Then they send a team of 4 out to change a washer in the kitchen tap.

D-Rider · #27 Post by **D-Rider** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:00 am

D-Rider wrote:Yes, they've arrived in the car park at work .... though it could just be a visit from the Militant Wing of the Caravan Club.

......... and they've gone - rolled out yesterday afternoon.

Falcopops · #28 Post by **Falcopops** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:36 pm

I've not read the majoity of this thread, so might be way off beam, but Flatlanders post made me sit up and take notice.

When I worked for Transport for London I had to deal with a few "travellers" camps. What a bunch of low life fuckwits they were too. I had my life threatened more than once, was held a knifepoint and followed a fair distance, but they couldn't keep up with the bike in London traffic.

Despite all their promises to be good and respect the locations they always left the site like shit hole, had it not been them being camped on locations identified for the Olympic site and village (Hackney marshes) I reckon they'd still be there.

One particularly nasty fucker (the twat with the knife) deliberately placed his van by the supports of the A12 and burned it. It was touch and go whether the road would need to be closed as the fire caused a lot of damage to the concrete column supporting the road. The only up side is the twat had topped himself in the fire, so saved me tracking him down and doing it.

Bunch of freeloading cunts in my book and always will be.

flatlander · #29 Post by **flatlander** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:15 pm

Falcopops wrote:I've not read the majoity of this thread, so might be way off beam, but Flatlanders post made me sit up and take notice.

Fek now what did I do lol