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What would you doi?

Would you go to court?
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Sell and replace with newer model?
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any / all of the above as long as you end up with a fast colour?
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accept it and move on
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Advice and gentle opinion please, possibly a bit long :)

#1 Post by flatlander » Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:53 am

Ok I am sure that for a lot of people this would not be an issue biut for me it is so as we are all different if we can start from the point that I can be a bit of a stress monkey it should be good :smt001

As you may have gathered I recently acquired my first Falco after many years on Bandit's and to be honest I am still getting used to the difference but am quite encouraged to do so. As much as anything because my experience on this site has been so positive especially compared to many other sites I have to go on for other stuff.

That said the issue I have is this. The bike I bought seems fine and I am stunned by the overall stability and ease of riding for the most part. Howver after I completed the purchase; and yes I did do a HPI / Experian check; I discovered that the mileage has not been recorded accurately at a couple of MOT centres.

As an aside I have since discovered that the check companies generally use the V5 voluntary information to check the mileage and if you don't know, I didn't, this site is where I checked the mileage according to the MOT history. http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Ow ... G_10020539

Now I am aware of the issue with the mileage / kilometer resaet, thanks to you lot :smt002 and am open minded enough to believe this may have been the case here. However if I had known that this was the case I would have waited and bought a different bike (still a Falco so don't panic just one with a more accurate history.

In simple terms what would you do ? and has anyone had to get the VOSA mileage corrected?

So far I have discussed this with the seller and I have found out that the seller appears to have been aware of this before the sale and may have been ... shall we say somewhat economical with the truth when asked about the mileage.

We have exchanged various emails etc and I have asked them to provide documentary evidence to support the mileage. They say rhey cannot / will not do this. Now I have contacted Consumer Direct very useful BTW http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentc ... /index.htm
and have discussed the matter with them the answer being there are 4 options as the mileage was advertised then the bike doesn't match the description and the remedies available are as follows.

Accepttance of the goods
documentary evidence to correct
partial compensation
return of bike and claimimng of costs, to point of priot to sale. Menaing travel costs insurance anything related to the purchase of the bike basically.

With the seller we have arrived at the last of the points. Though I have said I would cosider the third, aprtial compensation option. My view being I wouldn't have bought this particular vehiocle if I had been aware of any issue. Certainly I would not have offered the same price.

So I am sorry if this is long but I thought there were a couple of pointas worth bearing in mind from my experience in that the vehicle checks need to be supplemented by your own other checks, Experian/ Autocheck is rubbish in my experience and the infformation and website unreliable.

Scarily some of the Govt Direct sites are well worth a look and have some good information and services I can't fault the service from Consumer Direct.

Again though would you carry this through to the small claims court and has anyone else had something similar? I have been through the small claims process before and was surprised to discover that the defendant doesn't generally get costs even if they win

At the moment and genuinely I am considering selling the bike and getting a slightly newer one and againfor the avoidance of doubt I would only be looking for a Falco as much as anything for the positive knowledgeable,and friendly reception I have had on here, if nothing else thanks for that just wanted you all to now it is appreciated by those that benefit from it :smt008
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#2 Post by snapdragon » Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:09 am

I think it would depend on what the actual mileage is, and what the advertised mileage was.
Is the bike in good order and does it run well? Would a n other bike be neccessarily 'better' for having fewer miles on the clock?
Not being a serial bike purchaser am not really sure what real difference the difference would make.
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me either

#3 Post by flatlander » Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:20 am

Hasd the last bandit 5 / years from new the mileage would go from 8000 to who knows ? I am not saying this as in its clocked but more that I don't want any issues on resale and as someone who tries to be fairly honest I would have to tell a prosepective buyer up front. That said when I saw one that did say it had this issue I steered clear of the sale which is why I know I wouldn't have bought it. Basically I have a bike to enjoy it not to spend time ringing round getting unnecessary paperwork issues resolved
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#4 Post by HowardQ » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:23 pm

Sorry if it has already been covered, but what was the mileage stated by the seller and what do you now think it should be?
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8000 stated in the advert

#5 Post by flatlander » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:49 pm

and MOT history shows 3 different mileages one up to about 14000 one around 10k. Don't think I covered that before :smt002
To be honest part of this is an emotional issue in that I get attached to my bikes or disaffected with them in other words I never grow to appreciate them fully as individuals.... So whilst there may be nothing particularly wrong or that the explanation is founded on a good basis.If you change the miles on the MOT to KM and then convert them to wat the miles would have been if it was the case that the clocks had reset then it kind of works out.

Accepting that this may be the case doesn't to my mind alleviate things in that I still seem to end up with the choice of wasting time trying to resolve it with the various VOSA people whom I am assured this morning will only look at it with documentary evidence and which the last MOT station says it cannot provide or the same sort of effort with the seller. Leaving the option of selling it and getting a newer one and using this new found cautiousness to ask for Granndma's birth certificate double checked by einsteins apprentices. :smt003

Trouble is sometimes its great to be straight but youassume everybody else is and it ain't necessarily so :smt010
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#6 Post by Samray » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:21 pm

Does it show 14000 miles or km?
14000km to 8000m computes .. ish.
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From what I recall it does

#7 Post by flatlander » Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:46 pm

show about the right mileage in KM yes
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#8 Post by Samray » Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:58 pm

Personally I'd not be concerned about it.

Should just about be run in then. :smt002
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I think one of the concerns

#9 Post by flatlander » Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:44 pm

I have is come to resell time as I know I avoid obviously not successfully so make that try to avoid anything that sounds iffy
For the avoidance of doubt and for the benefit of my wife, not everything I may say here will be absolutely true I may on ocassion embellish a little for effect.
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#10 Post by Dalemac » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:19 pm

My advice would be to not sell it.

sometimes the clocks trip, particularly when the battery is not 100% charged. This causes the display to revert back to km instead of miles. It could be that this happened in the test and it was unnoticed by the examiner, who then recorded the mileage in KM and not miles.

It would be very unfortunate timing, but it is not impossible, especially around MOT time.

Just a thought...

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I think that this is what happened

#11 Post by flatlander » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:31 pm

however anyone checking would see a discrepency between the displayed mileage and the MOT recorded mileage
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#12 Post by Samray » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:41 pm

I think you missed an option off the poll :
"does anyone not consider this iffy"
I don't. :smt003
Don't really think a purchaser would either.
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#13 Post by flatlander » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:57 pm

But I thought I had covered the concept at least with

any / all of the above as long as you end up with a fast colour?
accept it and move on
obviously the faster colour being the more important consideration :smt003
Though why or how a colour would go faster than me I have not figured out
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#14 Post by Willopotomas » Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:05 pm

If you feel so strongly about the issue at hand and are selling the bike on these grounds, then I think you need to have a quiet word with yourself on the lines of "does it really matter?". Seriously.. If the bike is in good nik, runs well, rides well and nothings overly worn out etc then I'd forget about the mileage being a bit off and just enjoy the bike. The VOSA paper trail is about as reliable as Gordon Brown running the economy.. Everything looks calm enough, but everyone knows it's all BS.

Enjoy your Falco for what she is.. A fookin fantastic bike! :smt003
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Re: I think that this is what happened

#15 Post by Dalemac » Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:13 pm

flatlander wrote:however anyone checking would see a discrepency between the displayed mileage and the MOT recorded mileage
Not nessessarily. Stupid tester/owner = stupid mistake.

You are reading into this waaaaayyyyy too much. it it was off by 10,000 miles then i would start to get a little worred about the service intervals. But at 8000 miles, there is nothing wrong. Mine is at 24k miles and she is still as strong as she ever was.

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