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ABS for 2017 - likely EU regulation

#1 Post by D-Rider » Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:28 pm

I spotted this at work today .... thought you might like a "heads-up" though it's a fair few years away:
EU Commission plans to mandate ABS for motorbikes

The EU Commission has submitted a proposal for a framework for motorcycles, aiming at improving the driving safety for motorbike riders. The framework contains a plan to equip all motorcycles with more than 125 cc displacement with antilock brake systems.

The proposal is currently passing through the EU legislative procedure, and is expected to be adopted next year. The regulation is likely to come into effect from 2017.
In 2008, the number of motorcyclists involved in fatal accidents in the European Union came to 5,520 – 14 percent of all road deaths. The European figure has scarcely changed since 1997, yet the number of fatal accidents involving car drivers fell significantly during the same period – by 49 percent, as an analysis of 17 European countries shows. According to the European Transport Safety Council (ETSC), the risk of suffering a fatal accident is 18 times greater for motorcyclists than for car drivers in Europe, assuming that the same distance is traveled. But although the first antilock braking system to be installed in a motorcycle dates back to 1988, just 16 percent of all newly manufactured motorcycles in Europe are equipped with this safety system. In contrast, in passenger cars the ABS system is virtually standard.
Experts of automotive supplier Bosch in Japan have for the first time designed a series specifically for motorcycles. With greatly reduced volume and weighing just 0.7 kilograms, the entry-level product ABS 9 base is half the size and weight of its predecessor. Bosch claims that this makes it by far the most compact system in the market.
Experts regard the antilock braking system as a huge boost to safety. For example, a benefit analysis conducted for the European Commission calculates that the proposed regulation will allow the number of fatal accidents among motorcyclists to be reduced by more than 5,000 over a ten-year period. A study presented by Vägverket, the Swedish highways authority, in October 2009 shows that 38 percent of all motorcycle accidents involving personal injury and 48 percent of all serious and fatal accidents could be prevented with the help of ABS. This active safety system allows motorcyclists to brake safely in critical situations without locking the wheels, and thus without having to fear an inevitable fall. Braking distance is also reduced considerably.
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With the positive press on the latest ABS systems - particularly from Honda and Aprilia - this seems to be a good thing ..... except for the inevitable price-hike.

That said, I think their logic is a bit flawed. They justify on road safety grounds due to the high number of injuries and fatalities of 2 wheelers .... and then they go and exempt bikes of less than 125cc .... ie those that have a greater percentage of inexperienced riders, are ridden in parts of Europe with no safety kit and in much of Europe form a disproportionately large percentage of the total number of powered two-wheelers ...... so it probably won't have the kind of impact they expect it to.

On the other hand, were they to apply it to these small bikes, it would probably add a huge price-hike in proportion to the overall cost of the machine and be another blow to people taking up biking.
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#2 Post by BikerGran » Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:39 pm

There was a bloke in our club who had one of the first Blackbirds to have ABS and he hated it! He had two accidents on it and then got rid of it and went back to his pre-ABS non crashing mode!

The system surely can't have equal benefits for 2 wheelers as for four wheelers?
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#3 Post by D-Rider » Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:27 pm

They reckon the latest stuff is really very good - much better than those early introductions.
I've not had the chance to try it myself though so can't speak from personal experience.
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#4 Post by Nooj » Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:27 pm

Not ridden a bike with ABS yet. Don't have a problem with it as long as it works, but how reliable will all these electronic toys be on bikes in ten years time?
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#5 Post by D-Rider » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:13 pm

Pretty damned reliable TBH - especially for safety critical stuff.

I must admit that I am rather concerned about the autonomous vehicles that are now actually being trialled - yes, vehicles that drive themselves ....
Firstly I can't understand why you wouldn't want to be in control and enjoying the drive/ride (though others are only interested in efficiently getting from A-B)
Secondly there are a huge number of systems that must all be working without error or fault .... and it's only a matter of time .....

Platooning systems are another .....


I was of the view that these things would never see the light of day - not for technical reasons but because of the uncertainty / inevitable shift regarding responsibility & liability.
Those were my thoughts when they were only being developed in controlled test environments .... but now these things are beginning to be trialled on public roads.
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#6 Post by fastasfcuk » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:18 am

just the end of d i y.

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#7 Post by BikerGran » Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:28 am

Platooning systems

???????????
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#8 Post by D-Rider » Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:05 am

BikerGran wrote:
Platooning systems

???????????
Using vehicle to vehicle comms, cars and lorries tag on to the back of a lead vehicle and automatically follow each other with minimal gap between them - the theory is that it saves driver workload for the following vehicles and improves economy due to the reduced drag from wind resistance.

Mainly applicable to motorways.

Some of the challenges are joining and leaving strategies and hand-over between human and machine control.

...... besides teaching drivers that it's OK to follow too close which I reckon they'll start to do when they are in control of the vehicle.
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#9 Post by TC » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:09 am

I was one of those riders unfortunate enough to be involved in the development of the earlier ABS systems, and I would never buy a bike fitted with ABS throuugh choice.

The research is flawed, or more to the point they have twisted the stats to suit themselves as there are dozens of reported cases where ABS has been a direct contributory cause of a crash rather than avoid the crash occuring.

Don't confuse the CBS system with ABS though. The combined braking system simply applies the correct percentage of front to rear pressure and vice verca, whereas ABS produces a pulse that applies and releases the brakes many times per second to prevent lock up.

The only thing noticeable on a CBS equipped bike is that the rear pads wear quicker than on a conventional braking system, but riders with ABS often ride to the liitations of the braking system and then rely of the brakes to get them out of trouble.

Had I had ABS fitted when I had my bad crash, there is no doubt I would be dead instead of crippled.

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#10 Post by D-Rider » Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:27 pm

Not disputing that the old systems were bad TC - and I can't comment on the new ones from direct experience. However, I have heard that some of the new systems are very good.

I'm certainly keeping an open mind on them at the moment.
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#11 Post by BikerGran » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:33 pm

teaching drivers that it's OK to follow too close which I reckon they'll start to do when they are in control of the vehicle.
They don't need teaching that! :smt093
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#12 Post by TC » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:49 am

D-Rider wrote:Not disputing that the old systems were bad TC - and I can't comment on the new ones from direct experience. However, I have heard that some of the new systems are very good.

I'm certainly keeping an open mind on them at the moment.
Whether it is the old mechanical systems or the new state of the art electronic systems, doesn't really make a difference, it is the fact that the rider starts to ride to the limitations of the bikes braking system rather than learn to brake at the right time in the right place.

Unlike a car, once a bike is cranked over and you hit the brakes, the chances are the rider will still bin it because of the M + C + R forces acting on the bike, but in any case if a rider gets into a situation where the ABS kicks in, then in 99% of cases he has got it totally wrong anyway and is beyond help.

There are also cases where the bike might be travelling in a straight line, but because of the actions of some numpty the decision to lay the bike down has to be made.

There is (IMHO) no substitute for developing good braking techniques rather than rely on mechanical or electronic assistance which will be minimal assistance at best buut a costly addition to the purchase price and expensive to repair if it goes wrong.

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#13 Post by Kwackerz » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:34 pm

Be crap on trackdays.. No more backing it in...


Which I feel is a relevant point.. Bikes dont just ride on the road and if they start banging ABS on everything, it will eventually start to kill off the trackday commerce or at best/worst cause more incidents on trackdays.

I assume there is no ABS 'off' switch on these systems?
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#14 Post by D-Rider » Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:31 pm

Kwackerz wrote:Be crap on trackdays.. No more backing it in...


Which I feel is a relevant point.. Bikes dont just ride on the road and if they start banging ABS on everything, it will eventually start to kill off the trackday commerce or at best/worst cause more incidents on trackdays.

I assume there is no ABS 'off' switch on these systems?
..... have you any clue how much electronics is on top race bikes? making them more rideable and faster .....

There is debate whether that's a good thing or a bad thing for the spectacle - closing the gap between the exceptional and the merely brilliant rider but no debate that it improves performance for all of them.
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#15 Post by Kwackerz » Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:51 pm

D-Rider wrote:
Kwackerz wrote:Be crap on trackdays.. No more backing it in...


Which I feel is a relevant point.. Bikes dont just ride on the road and if they start banging ABS on everything, it will eventually start to kill off the trackday commerce or at best/worst cause more incidents on trackdays.

I assume there is no ABS 'off' switch on these systems?
..... have you any clue how much electronics is on top race bikes? making them more rideable and faster .....

There is debate whether that's a good thing or a bad thing for the spectacle - closing the gap between the exceptional and the merely brilliant rider but no debate that it improves performance for all of them.

I'm on about standard roadbikes with ABS, ridden by joe public, on trackdays. As TC said previously
but riders with ABS often ride to the limitations of the braking system and then rely of the brakes to get them out of trouble.
if a rider gets into a situation where the ABS kicks in, then in 99% of cases he has got it totally wrong anyway and is beyond help,

Now put that onto a trackday scenario and there'll be a right carnage-fest,
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