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#16 Post by D-Rider » Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:09 pm

The SL carbons are good but they almost always go for silly money
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New cans fitted ...........

#17 Post by cornish mafia » Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:15 pm

Thought i'd let you lot know what happened with the end cans .............In the end i found a place while looking through the world of the NET and came across these lot : -
http://www.performanceracingparts.co.uk/products.asp

Got my self a set of Carbon Ovals for a very very good price and they are now fitted too my baby and F##K me they're LOUD !!! :smt003 Only small problem is they never sent the correct mounting straps as they were in the centre and not off centre like they should have been .........anyway rang them up and they had them in the post that day so all is well .........:smt033

Nice deep throaty sound from tick over and when screaming really do let people know your coming ..............had them made 400mm long so a little shorter then normal by about 50mm ...........And when you take the Baffles out then make sure you put the ear defenders on !!! :smt118

Anyway great cans and thought i'd let you guys know ......

NOW Question time.. ..........Have got the Ohlins fitted at the rear and all is well so now have a question for all you pros out there ........Shall i raise the back 10mm and leave the front OR raise the back 5mm and drop the forks a ring ?? And does anyone now the stand settings for rings showing on the front ?? Ohlins i fitted was from a 2003 RSVR and have fitted the linkage as well so think i have done it right .........or wrong but i'm not going into that one again ...... :smt017

Still got the rene air box to fit and also a chip as well plus braided hoses so still got the cold days in the garage ....but who cares .......KIDS ARE DRIVING ME MAD ANYWAY !!!!! :smt013
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#18 Post by Aladinsaneuk » Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:55 pm

three rings showing will be about right

and not teaching granny to suck eggs, but go see a suspension specialist and get the thing set correctly - best money i have EVER spent on the falco.....


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#19 Post by HisNibbs » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:51 pm

I suppose it depends what you are looking for .... I like to chuck the bike around a bit thought the Falco front end lacked feel. Feeling what the front is doing is important to my confidence so over time I have raised the back to near max on the Ohlins and dropped the yokes down the forks to over 5 rings showing. I didn't do it all at once but in increments starting with rear ride height. It just got better and better.
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#20 Post by Aladinsaneuk » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:24 pm

and would just like to remind folk that keith is a racer.... well was i believe active on the racing circuit so knows what he is doing!

as i said for us mere mortals get some one in... no DIY but GSI!


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#21 Post by D-Rider » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:57 am

I've never been a racer but I do agree with Keith. One of my original gripes was that I never really felt in touch with the front end and it didn't turn quick enough.
I've now got the shock at maximum ride height and the forks at 4 rings.
Oh yes, I've OZ wheels too - so I'm guessing that with the standard brembo wheels I'd probably need another ring or two on the front to feel similar.
It feels good now.
There again, it's all a matter of achieving the feeling you are after yourself. Some would find my settup feels too "nervous" for their style and would want settings closer to standard ... though I can't really see anyone wanting settings more conservative than standard unless they've come from a cruiser or some other similar abomination.

My advice - change things a bit at a time until you get the feel you're after.
Unfortunately this is not the best time of year for testing things out - wet slippy roads with less grip don't help confidence and feedback. That doesn't mean you shouldn't change things at all but maybe you'll want another session when (if) the weather improves.
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#22 Post by ReggieGasket » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:28 am

Yes, I think it's a very personal thing. Ultimately, grip and feeling is improved if you put more weight over the front end. However, this doesn't always feel better in practice for me. For example, I don't always feel more secure on a quick steering bike and I can also feel nervous if I feel I'm putting a lot of weight over the front - although I know this is good for grip, it can feel like I might push the front. My CB500 for example doesn't get enough weight over the front wheel, but I never gave it two thoughts on a track day, even though in the wet it was the front that lets go first. Also, a bike that steers a bit slower can feel more secure and planted in faster turns. I haven't been able to play with my Falco yet, so don't know what I think yet. I think I want it to turn a bit faster, but I don't know whether the ride height is standard as it has an Ohlins shock on it. In summary, I feel more secure with more wight over the rear as I feel I can catch a rear slide more easily, however I know my instinct is wrong as I know more weight over the front gives more grip. Strange...

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#23 Post by cornish mafia » Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:45 am

Nice one lads thanks for all the info and feed back ..............Have had the suspension set up by a friend of mine who used to race in the TT and knows what he's doing on a bike and with the suspension so all ready better even with things standard ..............

The problem , as mentioned already , is the weather isn't the best to go flying around and trying new settings out .............F##KING FREEZING !!! Anyway what i'm going to do is drop a ring on the front to start with then after that raise the back 5 mm at a time and take it form there .......

More feel on the front is the way to go to start with and when the weather gets warmer .......sometime in about 50 years with global warming .......i will start playing wiith the rest of the bike ..........Still got that air box to fit but today is toooooooooo cold for that baby ......back to Ebay for a heater !!!!!

Thanks again lads ..................nice to know there are people who know what they're talking about out there .........although as i'm not a 100% sure i suppose you lot could all be feeding me a load of bollocks .........LOL !!! :smt003

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#24 Post by D-Rider » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:10 am

cornish mafia wrote:
Thanks again lads ..................nice to know there are people who know what they're talking about out there .........although as i'm not a 100% sure i suppose you lot could all be feeding me a load of bollocks .........LOL !!! :smt003
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#25 Post by mangocrazy » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:54 am

cornish mafia wrote:Anyway what i'm going to do is drop a ring on the front to start with then after that raise the back 5 mm at a time and take it form there .......
I'm sure you're aware of this, but when you raise the back of the bike, don't raise it by 5mm on the shock at one go. That will make a BIG change, due to the fact that 5mm on the shock equals about 15mm at the rear wheel (linkage ratios and all that)...!

I'd give the ride height adjuster on the shock a couple of full 360 degree turns at most, try it out and then add more if needed.

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#26 Post by cornish mafia » Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:29 pm

Cheers for that ........and just so your all aware with what your dealing with.............. i would have never thought of that one bit !!! :smt107 When i'm working on my bike i have the phone on emerg call to my mate who is the bike man so any probs and he's only a phone call away .....

Front end first i think then try and go mad when the sun shines again !!! :smt003

No snow today just bloody freezing !!
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#27 Post by HisNibbs » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:55 pm

Since you have the Ohlins shock and its the easiest of adjustments, I'd suggest adjust the rear ride height first. That way you don't reduce ground clearance.
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#28 Post by cornish mafia » Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:01 pm

When i fitted the Ohlins rear shock i also fitted the linkage from a 2002 RSVR ...........Would that have added any ride height as well ?? :smt017

Had to buy a full under tray to get the rear shock cover off it as i didn't like the hugger that was on it , so if anyone wants an undertray with no rear shock cover for £15 plus postage your welcome to it .............plus this ones got a 190 tyre on the back ....WHICH ........i will be changing to a 180 when used up this summer ......



Ten miles from Lands End and we had our first fall of snow last night ............not good when you have a new Falco in the garage that needs riding :smt033
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#29 Post by HisNibbs » Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:09 am

I also have the early RSVR linkage to go with the Ohlins shock. Bike came with them so I can't say whether this affected the ride height or not. What I can say is that after giving it about a year to get used to things I came to the conclusion that bike was too 'rear end biased' so I started winding up the ride height. Once that got near to max it felt better but after a bit I thought I'd also try the old dropping the yoke trick and am very glad I did.
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#30 Post by cornish mafia » Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:08 pm

Thinking pretty much the same about the back end i think ........almost like your sitting " in " it rather then "on " it ..........if that makes any sense at all ?!?! :smt017 .......Have been down the GSXR / R1 / RSVR road so l must admit do like the racer feel but for some strange reason have always wanted ...........and now have AGAIN .......a Falco ...... My mate thinks i was mad getting rid of my Edwards rep for it ...RSVR owner so he can't help it..

Will slowly start playing around with the suspension and see what happens but after chatting with you lot i can see me heading down the same road of dropping the forks and adding height to the back ............Sort of had a rough idea which way to go but have to say it's good to hear it from you guys to know it's all heading in the right direction .........

May even get to go for a ride today to test out the new cans ..........blue skys and dry ..ish roads .... :smt003
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