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HisNibbs · #1 Post by **HisNibbs** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:38 pm

I saw a new "Bike Safe" or some such advert on TV the other night that for a change I thought was rather good. It showed a nice ducati out for a run with a pre warning of all the potential hazards and disasters that I thought was leading upto the typical off camera, or worse crash. However this ended with the rider getting back safely with an "if only you were warned in real life etc..."

I thought but you are! Pretty much that whole sequence including the saftey comentary was typical of my daily ride. They still might get you especialy when the events double or treble up like diesel and or the tractor pulling out with a horse comming the other way on a blind bend etc.

I thought it a positive add what about you?

D-Rider · #2 Post by **D-Rider** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:44 pm

Yeah that one was screened quite a lot last year too.
It's not bad.

BikerGran · #3 Post by **BikerGran** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:09 pm

I think it's quite good, partly because it's more likely to be taken note of as it doesn't appear to be anti-biker!

back_marker · #4 Post by **back_marker** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:28 am

That advert was made a few years ago by (or possibly for) BFBS in an effort to stop so many Squaddies from killing themselves on bikes. I originally saw it around 5 or 6 years ago in Germany, then got shown it earlier this summer on a local Bikesafe course before it appeared on our TV screens.

Samray · #5 Post by **Samray** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:43 am

That makes sense back_marker.

Across all of the armed services, 93 people were killed in motorcycle accidents in 2007 – none combat-related.

It’s reached the point where motorcycle riding has become the number one noncombat safety concern across the services, according to Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Army, Addison Davis IV.

http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/was ... x?id=88207

Since 9/11, more American troops have died in off-duty motorcycle accidents than fighting in Afghanistan.

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/396791.html

The search for an alternative adrenaline rush is a well known aftermath of active service in this country too.

back_marker · #6 Post by **back_marker** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:23 pm

All true for our Armed Forces as well, however I think some people may be looking a little to far into it with the adrenalin rush idea though. To be quite honest I think the main reason that the Services show such a high percentage of bike related deaths and injuries is more down to financial reasons than anything else - especially those coming back from tours with a bank account full of money that they have been unable to spend.

BikerGran · #7 Post by **BikerGran** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:03 pm

It's certainly true that the squaddies local to us make a habit of injuring and even killing themselves on the roads, in cars as well as bikes.

But they're not the only ones, it's prolly just that as there's a concentrating of young active males in the area we notice them more.

Personally I think the rules that make it possible for someone to do a few days training and learn enough to pass a test, then go out and go mad on the fastest bike they can find with practically zero experience are responsible for a lot of deaths and serious injuries.

scorpio24v · #8 Post by **scorpio24v** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:57 am

That is why,Bikergran, our beloved govmnt has introduced a new test format. it may not have been the best way to try to solve the problem, but at least its a start. its aimed at,as far as i can see, the direct access types that you have mentioned, get to forty fancy a "sexy" bike, got the cash and no mortgage or a fat bonus, go straight for the fastest after wobbling around on the riding schools cb500, bingo first left hander, runs wide into the path etc and end up dead or worse, paralysed forever, eating through a "peg" , catheterised and unable to communicate.

Born agains and the direct access types are the biggest problem. They dont recognise road hazards and mixed with an inflated sense of their ability

As they say, you start out with a full bag of luck and an empty bag of experience, the aim is to fill the bag of experience up, before you empty the bag of luck.

Only my opinion though

#9 Post by **Kwackerz** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:14 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4Gqmfa7qog

Car drivers should be shown this one...

Agreed the TV screened one is very good and carries a good message, presented in somewhat a more thought provoking way than a gore laden way that is meant to shock.

BikerGran · #10 Post by **BikerGran** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:36 am

scorpio24v wrote:That is why,Bikergran, our beloved govmnt has introduced a new test format.
As they say, you start out with a full bag of luck and an empty bag of experience, the aim is to fill the bag of experience up, before you empty the bag of luck.

It doesn't address the issue of experience - in fact it's done off road so it's even less likely to help!

scorpio24v · #11 Post by **scorpio24v** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:37 am

Yes the biggest change is to the slow riding part. How many of us "experienced" riders practise "U" turns, fig 8 emergency stops, very slow riding in a straight line etc, etc? Not many I bet. Any experience obtained buy slow riding is good. In our Rospa and IAM local groups there is a session twice a year at Fords Dunton test track, generally well attended and brilliant fun as well.

The govmt have incrementally raised the standard reqd to pass the class "A" test, I remember mine well, 30 mins with the examiner darting through allyways to catch a glimse of me and then stepping out in front to test my brakes! That was thirty five years ago though

At least the new system trys to give new riders a better chance on the road. The problem is still born agains (who took their test on a 250 honda 25 years ago and havnt ridden since) and the direct access boys and girls.

would you believe that the Police manual "roadcraft" page 76 refers, states the 19% of riders dont use their front brakes!!

I dont know what the answer is to reduce KSI on our roads, but I do know that we are never to old or experienced to learn new riding skills. I also believe that no ammount of draconian and or shocking video will change people, thats why some people still smoke!!

HisNibbs · #12 Post by **HisNibbs** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:14 am

scorpio24v wrote:
As they say, you start out with a full bag of luck and an empty bag of experience, the aim is to fill the bag of experience up, before you empty the bag of luck.

Only my opinion though

Despite amassing loads of experience I still think luck will always have a part to play. Let's hope we never quite empty the bag of luck.

scorpio24v · #13 Post by **scorpio24v** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:37 pm

HisNibbs wrote:
scorpio24v wrote:
As they say, you start out with a full bag of luck and an empty bag of experience, the aim is to fill the bag of experience up, before you empty the bag of luck.

Only my opinion though
Despite amassing loads of experience I still think luck will always have a part to play. Let's hope we never quite empty the bag of luck.

I seem to have noticed the more I practice, the luckier I get

HisNibbs · #14 Post by **HisNibbs** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:48 pm

[quote="scorpio24v
I seem to have noticed the more I practice, the luckier I get

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I could also say the same but maybe I'm reluctant to say that the fact that my last motorcycle road accident was about 30 years and some 250,000 miles ago is down to experience alone. Pride comes before a fall and despite skill and experience there could always be a horrible combination of circumstances that might get me. I just want all the help I can get and a little superstition and doubt in my ability may help stop over confidece.

On the other hand I certainly agree that people who have accidents or close calls even, of which I have had a few in that period should not be blaming luck, but themselves and learning from their possible mistakes.

scorpio24v · #15 Post by **scorpio24v** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:20 pm

You may have misinterpreted what I meant, so I will clarify. There is no place in a potentially dangerous pastime such as biking, for luck. What I meant was the more training I do the better I become on the road as a direct result. The reference to luck was purely tongue in cheek. Training allows understanding of potential areas of danger and how best to plan for them and then deal with them, luck plays no part at all in this cognitive process. My guess is that if you have 30 years and 250000 miles under the wheels then you must be doing something right that cant be attributed to luck.

Unfortunately the direct access and born agains that I refer to on my earlier posts dont have the luxury of that experience.

By far the best way for them to "fast track" their experience is to put away the ego and the Testosterone and get some training.

I personally am not superstitious about my ability, I keep an open mind, realise i have good days and not so good days, try to identify which I am having, and then ride accordingly,or put the bike away and have another beer, oh and I always carry my lucky rabbit foot and put my right sock on first