will mille shock fit falco?????

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D-Rider · #16 Post by **D-Rider** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:48 pm

blenks wrote:I have just bought a Sachs rear shock from an 2001 Mille (yellow spring / gold body & cannister). Do I need to change to matching triangle and dog bone or will the standard Falco ones do the job. There is a set of 02 on ebay but it will mean another £47 with postage. An expense I could do without but if needs must.

Yes, yellow spring Sachs needs the corresponding linkages (unless you get it re-sprung and re-valved).

The thing that really needs to be matched to the spring rate is the ratio of the triangle. The dogbone length will have some effect but will mainly affect ride height.
A mate of mine is making up a batch of the triangles and maybe a set of these would do with the Falco dogbone with the shock wound to min ride height .... but it would be a bit of an experiment.
It's a risk though .... not only from a will it / won't it work point of view but my mate has had these in the pipeline since before last Christmas (as Davshill knows well!).
I understand they just need collecting from the powdercoater .... but I'm not holding my breath.

blenks · #17 Post by **blenks** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:27 pm

So, I've bought the shock (Sachs, yellow springfrom Mille). I'm looking for matching linkage and dogbone if anybody has them for sale????

I have been in touch with the dealer that will be carrying out the service shortly for a price for fitment, they've quoted £100. They have also said I should budget in for worn needle rollers. I'm not sure what they are or the cost.

Are there bearings within the triangle linkage? or are the bearings just within the dogbone? I have seen a pair of triangle plates for sale and was also wondering if I can use them with all of the nuts, bolts, spacers and washers from my existing one.

Appealing to the oracles for help once again.

Falco9 · #18 Post by **Falco9** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:45 pm

eBay often comes up with the dogbone & side plates, you might also want to try an outfit called "Time Machine" bikes as they break Aprilias.

£100 seems a lot for what is essentially a 10 minute job (30 min if you haven't done it before) the roller bearings are fitted in both ends of the dogbone and one set in the swinging arm, they may well be rusty and a little dirty but you can remove and clean them before re-fitting with lots of nice clean grease. Its a bit fiddly but fairly easy to do. However this will depend upon the mileage and condition of them of course

All the plates and dogbones use the same nuts & bolts, just be careful that the Nylock nuts are in good nick, Andy had one come undone a few years ago with what could have been disasterous results, although I've never had a problem myself (dab of blue loctite always works)

I did have a linkage set but sold it a while ago, sorry

F9

D-Rider · #19 Post by **D-Rider** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:50 pm

Yep - what Rich says.

Replacement needle bearing sets are hard to come by - the ones used are "full compliment" - when I replaced mine I had to use some caged bearings which are not so good for this application - but OK so far.
As Rich says, you may well be able to repack them.
There are 6 of these bearings in all. 2 fit in the swingarm and 4 in the dog bone.

I can help you save on the £100 fitting cost .... as Rich says it's a quick job and easy to do.
Give me a shout when you are ready.

blenks · #20 Post by **blenks** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:57 pm

Appreciate the offer D-Rider. There will obviously be a large drink in it for you!!

As for repacking bearings, not sure what this entails. Perhaps will see how they look when it comes to doing the job.

Thanks again though, I'll be in touch when I get hold of the links and dogbone.

D-Rider · #21 Post by **D-Rider** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:04 pm

blenks wrote:Appreciate the offer D-Rider. There will obviously be a large drink in it for you!!

As for repacking bearings, not sure what this entails. Perhaps will see how they look when it comes to doing the job.

Thanks again though, I'll be in touch when I get hold of the links and dogbone.

Don't worry - we can have a look when we see what you've got. Repacking is basically cleaning out the old grease, checking the condition of the rollers and shells and if OK, replacing the needles in new grease.

fastasfcuk · #22 Post by **fastasfcuk** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:31 pm

there's a st of plates and dog bones on ebay right now.
item no is 350239412746 it's buy it now £29.99+£4.99 postage.

blenks · #23 Post by **blenks** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:21 pm

Just seen the set mentioned but they are advertised as "RSV Falco" parts. Surely they will be the same as the ones fitted to the bike. The triangles look equal sided whereas I was under the impression that the ones I need for the 2001 Mille shock were off set (1 side of triangle noticably longer than the other 2). If anybody can verify if these are the right parts then happy days.

blenks · #24 Post by **blenks** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:36 pm

Found these (links). Can anyone tell me if they are what I need. I have noticed that there is a bearing missing from the dogbone. Will I be able to use any from the existing one on my bike. Not sure if they are the same.

ITS GETTING MORE CONFUSING!!!!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/APRILIA-RSV-MILLE ... 286.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/APRILIA-RSV-MILLE ... 286.c0.m14

D-Rider · #25 Post by **D-Rider** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:38 pm

blenks wrote:Just seen the set mentioned but they are advertised as "RSV Falco" parts. Surely they will be the same as the ones fitted to the bike. The triangles look equal sided whereas I was under the impression that the ones I need for the 2001 Mille shock were off set (1 side of triangle noticably longer than the other 2). If anybody can verify if these are the right parts then happy days.

Nope - they are the same as you've got on the Falco (as you suspected).

Sorry to confirm bad news

D-Rider · #26 Post by **D-Rider** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:44 pm

blenks wrote:Found these (links). Can anyone tell me if they are what I need. I have noticed that there is a bearing missing from the dogbone. Will I be able to use any from the existing one on my bike. Not sure if they are the same.

ITS GETTING MORE CONFUSING!!!!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/APRILIA-RSV-MILLE ... 286.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/APRILIA-RSV-MILLE ... 286.c0.m14

It's not the bearing that's missing - it's the pin that runs through the middle .... though that may have led to all the needles falling out.

That gives you 2 choices .... pinch the needles out of your Falco bearings (doubt you would get the shells out without damaging them) or pop in some caged rollers like I have (probably just need replacing a bit more frequently).

Either way, there is a solution .... go for it (unless the price goes silly).

blenks · #27 Post by **blenks** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:00 pm

Where can I source some of the caged rollers you mention? How much can I expect to pay? How many would I need?

You lot were'nt kidding when you said owning a Falco would warp my debit card!!!!!!

blenks · #28 Post by **blenks** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:17 pm

I have just looked on the Aprilia genuine parts list and the needle bearings come in at £5.30 each. 6 in all so just under £40 with postage. May be worth replacing them all to be safe????

D-Rider · #29 Post by **D-Rider** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:37 pm

This link might help:

https://www.ridersite.com/viewtopic.php?t=5295

I buy my bearings from Brammer Bearings in Coventry (Spitfire Way)
http://www.brammer.co.uk/default.aspx

They often have things in stock and if not usually get them the next day.

blenks · #30 Post by **blenks** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:16 pm

Just had a message from Speedaway to say my needle bearings have arrived so I'll be picking them up Friday afternoon.

D-Rider, Is your offer of assistance still standing? I believe I have everything I need for the shock and linkage replacement now so whenever you are available after Friday would be a big help. Do I need any specific tools etc?

For your info I have a shock from 2001 Mille (Yellow spring and cannister), dogbone and link plates from a 2002 Mille and 6 new needle bearings. Please tell me that's all I need.