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#16 Post by D-Rider » Sun May 04, 2008 11:19 pm

BikerGran wrote:Surely it's immaterial whether he did or not - what he's saying I agree with - if we stay within the law there's no problem, if like most of us we decide sometimes to ignore it we just have to accept the consequences if we're caught by a copper who is simply doing his job -
Tis true .... but there are so many stupid laws out there (so I'm not primarily blaming those whose job it is to enforce them).
Yeah I know we should use the democratic process to sort out the law .... but that's never going to get things sorted on a nice Saturday afternoon.
For example:
* 50cc bikes restricted to 30mph making them one of the most vulnerable things on the road .... used by the most inexperienced road users ....
* Tinted Visors
* Number plates that are not quite big enough
* Silencers that allow the bike to be heard and spotted by other road users
* The ever increasing creep of inappropriate speed limits
.... to name just a few ....

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#17 Post by Samray » Sun May 04, 2008 11:32 pm

R-Rider wrote:Yeah I know we should use the democratic process to sort out the law ....
This isn't a democracy, we have an unelected Prime Minister.
Roll on the revolution. :smt002

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#18 Post by snapdragon » Tue May 06, 2008 7:34 pm

Samray wrote:
R-Rider wrote:Yeah I know we should use the democratic process to sort out the law ....
This isn't a democracy, we have an unelected Prime Minister ..:smt002
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pedantic head on :smt006
prime minister was elected by his constituents - chosen to lead by other MPs as per usual, tis the british system that we only vote for our local MP, not for the PM

but we do have an unelected head of state
Roll on the revolution. :smt002
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#19 Post by Samray » Tue May 06, 2008 8:16 pm

Our Prime Sinister, like exactly half since WW11 has not won a general election, and never will. :smt002

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#20 Post by HowardQ » Tue May 13, 2008 1:03 pm

Traffic Cop, what's that then TC ?????? :smt017 :smt017 :smt017
The big problem as I see it is that most Chief Constables (or is it Police Authorities) are getting rid of them and relying on cameras to do their job, which I believe is totally wrong.
The traffic "job" now gets done by some copper out in a car for whatever reason, or some Civvi pseudo cop or warden.
For the reasons you stated and many others you didn't bother adding, we need traffic cops, (prefer the fully dressed version though!).
They caught lots of real crooks in the process of doing a really good job and gave really good feedback on accidents.
Might even have caught some of the mobile users and the loonies high on drink and drugs as well which the cameras have not learnt to take on yet, although they should be doing the mobile bit soon with Auto Numberplate Recognition software!
Yeh they knicked you, but they would also turn a blind eye if you were exceeding the limit by not too much in a safe way and just give you a ticking off.
They would also talk to you about what your driving/riding was like and why they were not happy with something you had done.
Can't see them coming back in the near future though.

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#21 Post by Samray » Tue May 13, 2008 2:40 pm

I think our police force, like many institutions, are being hog-tied and castrated to ease the intstallation of the nanny/nazi state and preclude them playing any positive part in the inevitable revolution. :smt003

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#22 Post by HowardQ » Tue May 13, 2008 4:44 pm

Samray wrote:I think our police force, like many institutions, are being hog-tied and castrated to ease the intstallation of the nanny/nazi state and preclude them playing any positive part in the inevitable revolution. :smt003
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#23 Post by TC » Tue May 13, 2008 6:37 pm

HowardQ wrote:Traffic Cop, what's that then TC ?????? :smt017 :smt017 :smt017
The big problem as I see it is that most Chief Constables (or is it Police Authorities) are getting rid of them and relying on cameras to do their job, which I believe is totally wrong.
The traffic "job" now gets done by some copper out in a car for whatever reason, or some Civvi pseudo cop or warden.
For the reasons you stated and many others you didn't bother adding, we need traffic cops, (prefer the fully dressed version though!).
I agree with your sentiments 100%, and much of the trouble is to do with the Government wanting an immediate and cost affective penalty/deterent and secondly this allows Police Forces to reduce their annual budget expenditure by not having to invest in specialist personel/vehicles/equipment and training.

Many forces also have what is called tenure of service which means that if someone specialises, then after a set time, say 5 years, the person is back onthe street with a tall hat on or moved to another department.

This means that we no longer have a professional traffic department (what is left of it) where there are specialists within the department, you don't have the old sweats (as I was) who have spent all their service on the department training the new guys, and they don't even have the professional driving qualifications that we were obliged to have just to stay on the department.

It took me 16 weeks of continous training for my class 1 car ticket, the same again for my class 1 bike, I had to do a 12 week traffic law course and pass an exam each week and then I had the specialist training in addition, accident investigation, riding instructor, vehicle examination, HGV/PCV course etc.

Now they do a 3 week driving course with an in house qualification rather than a Home Office class 1, they no longer have class 1 bikes except for a very few specialists, and the traffic law course is 1 week :smt009

And this takes me back to the likes of Bikesafe. It is being sold as assessments conducted by experts, but most of the instructors I have examined hold nothing more than a basic riding authorisation, only about 5% actually hold a class 1.

A RoSPA gold grade rider is actually better qualified than some of the Bikesafe instructors/assessors, but they never tell you this, it is left for the individual to assume that because they ride a Police bike they are up there at the top of their profession :smt013

It is one of those occasions when I still hanker back to the old days for the reasons you have covered. We had a professional traffic department with experts in their field who had a sense of humour and discretion when it was appropriate!

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#24 Post by HowardQ » Wed May 14, 2008 11:51 am

Totally agree, I also have a cousin who rose to an ACC with South Yorks Police, now retired.
He had previously been in traffic earlier in his career and had a class 1, (or whatever it was then, i.e. trained for pusuit driving), in a car.
He tought me how to drive fast properly many years ago, and it was one of the best things I did, also very enjoyable.
He still goes on about the old days and how his job as an ACC was much easier before politics came in to play!

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