You obviously don't understand the concept of the www, or anything else, not actually revolving around TwinNut.TwinNut wrote:Greater good eh?...........
Where's my post??
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Whoa there Gents.
A discussion and debate is one thing, but there's no need for anyone to throw teddybears.
I think you'll find TN that Sam was questioning your previous response. It wasnt presented in a supportive manner maybe..
Chill. Both of ya..
Maybe it wasnt clear enough, or it was in my mind but not in text. I'd seen it in DR's post, maybe it wasnt clear enough.
Yes, as with all things on this Site, it for the greater good, after all, It's Aprilia RiderSite , so we have to try and do things in a manner to encompass all.
A discussion and debate is one thing, but there's no need for anyone to throw teddybears.
I think you'll find TN that Sam was questioning your previous response. It wasnt presented in a supportive manner maybe..
Chill. Both of ya..
Maybe it wasnt clear enough, or it was in my mind but not in text. I'd seen it in DR's post, maybe it wasnt clear enough.
Yes, as with all things on this Site, it for the greater good, after all, It's Aprilia RiderSite , so we have to try and do things in a manner to encompass all.
Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly
And Sam is an RS moderator. No radar have been gotten under. Ap RS mods have 'Aprilia Mod' status, RS Mods have 'Mod'
You'll not be aware, but Sam has no ability to moderate the Ap forums
Im away to bed. If World War 3 breaks out before tomorrow night then please let it be by PM and not on the forums. I have a friggin' cold and am feeling very grouchy. I'd appreciate not being woken by the sound of nuclear weaponry going off.... 
My teddybears are bigger and get thrown harder. 
You'll not be aware, but Sam has no ability to moderate the Ap forums
Im away to bed. If World War 3 breaks out before tomorrow night then please let it be by PM and not on the forums. I have a friggin' cold and am feeling very grouchy. I'd appreciate not being woken by the sound of nuclear weaponry going off....
My teddybears are bigger and get thrown harder. 
To clarify:
Hammy and Kwackerz are Admin: They look after the whole site and do a hell of a lot to make sure it doesn't fall apart. If you remember they got this site up and going for us when the old one was sinking. First it was a lifeboat, now it's a (normally) comfortable ship .....
Samray is a Moderator on the Ridersite - not the Aprilia Ridersite. I think many recognise he's someone with our best interests at heart.
Aprilia Mods: That's me and F9 - we're the ones you voted in and if at any time you are unhappy you can replace us. I speak for myself but I have probably contributed to this recent argument by being rather lazy and not getting us into the habit of thoughtful posting from the start. So apologies to all of you.
Now cards on the table, what do I really think - no Moderators union speak (mainly 'cos there is no moderators union and we've not discussed a 'party line'). This is just me as a member of the forum.
Personally speaking, keeping everything within the Falco forum is quite attractive. Everything I want in a one-stop shop. Searching for me is not a big deal. There is almost nothing happening on the Aprilia RS other than Falco stuff. It works.
..... for today .....
Trouble is, it is not sustainable. I remember on the old site when we discussed whether to move here or to try to self-fund a site. I pointed out that at that point the regular users could probably just about afford it. I then looked ahead to a time when some had bought other bikes for a change or just because the Falcos had packed up because they were too old .... it will happen. The point is, we couldn't sustain the cost and we will not be able to sustain a membership.
That was part of the attraction of coming here - we valued our friendship and could stick together by moving over here. As people's bikes changed we could still remain part of the Ridersite and still stick together.
For that to happen we need to play a full part in the whole Ridersite.
For those of us that have discovered Aprilias, when the time comes, we may well replace our Falcos with other Aprilias - but we've not done much of a job of building a "home" for other Aprilia riders. Maybe we'll eventually get a healthy Tuono membership, maybe the RSVs are beyond us - maybe not .... but what are we doing to prepare for Shivers, Manas, V4s and the rest that don't yet have forums? It could well be some of US that will be riding those bikes.
Step back and think about it.
Comfortable home now ..... but what in 5yrs, 8yrs, 10yrs time?
Maybe some minor changes to the way we do things now and we may keep things going in the longer term.
Of course, no guarantees and I may be wrong (I was once - but I don't mention that) .... but the changes seem a small price compared to the potential benefit.
Think of it like putting something away for your pension (thankfully Maxwell's not involved here) ....
Hammy and Kwackerz are Admin: They look after the whole site and do a hell of a lot to make sure it doesn't fall apart. If you remember they got this site up and going for us when the old one was sinking. First it was a lifeboat, now it's a (normally) comfortable ship .....
Samray is a Moderator on the Ridersite - not the Aprilia Ridersite. I think many recognise he's someone with our best interests at heart.
Aprilia Mods: That's me and F9 - we're the ones you voted in and if at any time you are unhappy you can replace us. I speak for myself but I have probably contributed to this recent argument by being rather lazy and not getting us into the habit of thoughtful posting from the start. So apologies to all of you.
Now cards on the table, what do I really think - no Moderators union speak (mainly 'cos there is no moderators union and we've not discussed a 'party line'). This is just me as a member of the forum.
Personally speaking, keeping everything within the Falco forum is quite attractive. Everything I want in a one-stop shop. Searching for me is not a big deal. There is almost nothing happening on the Aprilia RS other than Falco stuff. It works.
..... for today .....
Trouble is, it is not sustainable. I remember on the old site when we discussed whether to move here or to try to self-fund a site. I pointed out that at that point the regular users could probably just about afford it. I then looked ahead to a time when some had bought other bikes for a change or just because the Falcos had packed up because they were too old .... it will happen. The point is, we couldn't sustain the cost and we will not be able to sustain a membership.
That was part of the attraction of coming here - we valued our friendship and could stick together by moving over here. As people's bikes changed we could still remain part of the Ridersite and still stick together.
For that to happen we need to play a full part in the whole Ridersite.
For those of us that have discovered Aprilias, when the time comes, we may well replace our Falcos with other Aprilias - but we've not done much of a job of building a "home" for other Aprilia riders. Maybe we'll eventually get a healthy Tuono membership, maybe the RSVs are beyond us - maybe not .... but what are we doing to prepare for Shivers, Manas, V4s and the rest that don't yet have forums? It could well be some of US that will be riding those bikes.
Step back and think about it.
Comfortable home now ..... but what in 5yrs, 8yrs, 10yrs time?
Maybe some minor changes to the way we do things now and we may keep things going in the longer term.
Of course, no guarantees and I may be wrong (I was once - but I don't mention that) .... but the changes seem a small price compared to the potential benefit.
Think of it like putting something away for your pension (thankfully Maxwell's not involved here) ....
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I understand most of what you are saying Quacks and agree with much of it, but I must be perceiving some bits in a slightly different way. I take your point that people may look at this site now and think that it's just a Falco site with little else to offer and could think as you say "it's all falco crap, and dont come back", cos we do tend to be pretty active, but as you say we have both helped to save each other and must not forget that.
The next bit is where my perception differs from yours. If Falco discussions fill the Technical forums, the galleries and the rest, anybody who has a quick look will be sure to think it's a Falco site and never come back unless they own one. If you keep the Falco bits in one box, this will have less of an impact. Many "Falconeers" or whatever you want to call them contribute regularly on most of the other forums now, without even mentioning Falcos which has seriously improved the site in general for other bikers, it was pretty quiet when we first came in. Some of us are only interested in Falcos, (I can live with that) and others have wider interests, and help to support the site in general, general meet ups/rallies and just like chatting about anything bike.
In my view more similar bike groups should be set up, where people can go to from the General site and talk more techie or whatever about their type of bike. I for one would be interested in a CBR forum, as I still ride one, or a general Honda group as I've owned a quite few of them. Have also owned lots of bikes over the years from Brit singles and twins, though Jap 2 and 3 pot two stokes and Jap IL4s, and would be happy to chat in some sort of classic forums about any of them. But have no real interest in restoring classics to mint, think that is for another site.
The old Aprillia site as you agree had a good split of Aprilia kit originally, but the others lost interest so we took over. It was that way round, we didn't force em out! It did limit interest on the site though and we all agreed (in a vote) that if we just stayed as a Falco site, we would eventually die as they don't make em anymore!
So that's my view, keep the Falcos in one box most of the time, so the site does not look totally Falco and start up some other forums, bike or manufacturer specific for any other people who show an interest. You've heard about my other interests. Lets get some of these old friends now starting to come back, out of the general Bike Chat area and talking about their current bikes (or Trikes, sorry BikerGran).
Not sayin I'd read their stuff everyday, but I'd keep popping in and know where to go if I wanted info on other bikes. People in the other new forums would probably do the same, then we could really become a "RiderSite".
Whatever we do we will always need people like you Samray, Andy and Gio (bike or not), to keep it running and keep people chatting. Just be a bit careful when taking decisions on what we "need", most of us agree with 90% of what you do, but are sick of having our general lives decided by bloody politicians, we come in here to get away from that shit and expect it to be a bit more democratic.
We also have to remember that we will always need people like TwinNut who just want to join in and chat about one particular bike whatever it is, and make it easy for all of them to cut through the general crap and go straight to their specific areas. If some of us happen to think the Falco is the best bike that we can easilly afford and for us it's the dogs danglies, well you're gonna have to live with that mate!
Hope I've not upset anyone, it is just my perception of the problem and how we might improve/broaden.
Again over to the rest of you, lets throw some more ideas in and not argue.
Cheers, the old farts gettin back into his (Falco) box now!
Howard.
The next bit is where my perception differs from yours. If Falco discussions fill the Technical forums, the galleries and the rest, anybody who has a quick look will be sure to think it's a Falco site and never come back unless they own one. If you keep the Falco bits in one box, this will have less of an impact. Many "Falconeers" or whatever you want to call them contribute regularly on most of the other forums now, without even mentioning Falcos which has seriously improved the site in general for other bikers, it was pretty quiet when we first came in. Some of us are only interested in Falcos, (I can live with that) and others have wider interests, and help to support the site in general, general meet ups/rallies and just like chatting about anything bike.
In my view more similar bike groups should be set up, where people can go to from the General site and talk more techie or whatever about their type of bike. I for one would be interested in a CBR forum, as I still ride one, or a general Honda group as I've owned a quite few of them. Have also owned lots of bikes over the years from Brit singles and twins, though Jap 2 and 3 pot two stokes and Jap IL4s, and would be happy to chat in some sort of classic forums about any of them. But have no real interest in restoring classics to mint, think that is for another site.
The old Aprillia site as you agree had a good split of Aprilia kit originally, but the others lost interest so we took over. It was that way round, we didn't force em out! It did limit interest on the site though and we all agreed (in a vote) that if we just stayed as a Falco site, we would eventually die as they don't make em anymore!
So that's my view, keep the Falcos in one box most of the time, so the site does not look totally Falco and start up some other forums, bike or manufacturer specific for any other people who show an interest. You've heard about my other interests. Lets get some of these old friends now starting to come back, out of the general Bike Chat area and talking about their current bikes (or Trikes, sorry BikerGran).
Not sayin I'd read their stuff everyday, but I'd keep popping in and know where to go if I wanted info on other bikes. People in the other new forums would probably do the same, then we could really become a "RiderSite".
Whatever we do we will always need people like you Samray, Andy and Gio (bike or not), to keep it running and keep people chatting. Just be a bit careful when taking decisions on what we "need", most of us agree with 90% of what you do, but are sick of having our general lives decided by bloody politicians, we come in here to get away from that shit and expect it to be a bit more democratic.
We also have to remember that we will always need people like TwinNut who just want to join in and chat about one particular bike whatever it is, and make it easy for all of them to cut through the general crap and go straight to their specific areas. If some of us happen to think the Falco is the best bike that we can easilly afford and for us it's the dogs danglies, well you're gonna have to live with that mate!
Hope I've not upset anyone, it is just my perception of the problem and how we might improve/broaden.
Again over to the rest of you, lets throw some more ideas in and not argue.
Cheers, the old farts gettin back into his (Falco) box now!
Howard.
Compromise.
I'd rather see everything Falco related in the Falco forum regardless of whether it's technical, holiday snaps, was-it-you? posts or whatever. That's what makes the AF1 forum so good for me (when it works), it's all in one place and full of variety. If I want to know about Falco stuff I go to the Falco forum, if I want to find out how to fix that I've just snapped off the Missus' Tuono I go to the Tuono forum.
But... that does make it hard to archive stuff and perhaps isn't what new visitors are used to in a forum, so how about we keep it as a big interesting variety filled jumble up until stuff gets onto (for example only) page three, so everyone's had a chance to read it and reply, THEN move it into the technical/silly/shopping/porn/what's-for-tea etc. forums for prosterity?
But... that does make it hard to archive stuff and perhaps isn't what new visitors are used to in a forum, so how about we keep it as a big interesting variety filled jumble up until stuff gets onto (for example only) page three, so everyone's had a chance to read it and reply, THEN move it into the technical/silly/shopping/porn/what's-for-tea etc. forums for prosterity?
You mean the same TwinNut that only a few months back we had to talk out of chopping in the Falco for some I4 ?HowardQ wrote: We also have to remember that we will always need people like TwinNut who just want to join in and chat about one particular bike
.... and, yes, we do need TN in the mix - where else am I going to find someone with impecable tastes in football as well as motorcycles?
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Think you may be sitting on the Fence rather than the moon NOOJ, (sorry but had to throw that in mate).
It is certainly a compromise that could work, if we can't "technically" keep Falco stuff in one area for ever.
It is certainly a compromise that could work, if we can't "technically" keep Falco stuff in one area for ever.
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So we might keep him in here talkin about some other bike if he does buy an IL4, but don't start im off about football again!D-Rider wrote:You mean the same TwinNut that only a few months back we had to talk out of chopping in the Falco for some I4 ?HowardQ wrote: We also have to remember that we will always need people like TwinNut who just want to join in and chat about one particular bike
.... and, yes, we do need TN in the mix - where else am I going to find someone with impecable tastes in football as well as motorcycles?
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I don't really like the idea of compramising and sitting on the (lunar) fence, but I think my idea is a genuine win/win situation for all involved. It's not a compramise as I see it really, as the two extreme(ish) views both get what they want, there's no middle ground, and more importantly to me, I get what I want 
