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T.C. · #1 Post by **T.C.** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:24 pm

One lucky rider. It could have been so much worse.

Also a good example of how a video cam can be beneficial. Certainly helps as far as getting an admittance of liability is concerned for the personal injury claim.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-nort ... s-39203191

fatboy · #2 Post by **fatboy** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:43 pm

Yes it easily could have been so much worse.
The fine was way too lenient IMO

T.C. · #3 Post by **T.C.** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:56 pm

fatboy wrote:Yes it easily could have been so much worse.
The fine was way too lenient IMO

Why? Do you know all the facts? Have you seen all the evidence?

Do you know what was said during interview under caution?

Look at the video footage again. Look at the shadows, the sun is behind the rider, which in turn can cause what is called the Halo affect

Are you familiar with sentencing guidelines?

Do you believe the driver went out to deliberately cause a crash?

Do you want me to continue?

The driver got it wrong.... He has been convicted and liability will be easily proved as far as the personal injury claim is concerned.

It was an error of judgement possibly with mitigation. Why should he be hit financially so he has to take out a second mortgage.

I take it you have never made a mistake and thought to yourself that you got away with it? I know I have.

Sheesh, I don't believe some people....

#4 Post by **mangocrazy** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:15 pm

TC, you post all this stuff up, which just begs for an answer and then get shirty when someone has an opinion that differs from yours. I've just clicked on two consecutive threads where you've been tearing a strip off someone for diagreeing with you, when you've posted up what can only be construed as clickbait.

I really think you need to wind your neck in a bit and be considerate of the fact that others have opinions that may conflict with yours. If you are going to point out the perceived deficiencies in their argument, please do it in a mature and non-confrontational manner.

T.C. · #5 Post by **T.C.** » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:07 pm

mangocrazy wrote:TC, you post all this stuff up, which just begs for an answer and then get shirty when someone has an opinion that differs from yours. I've just clicked on two consecutive threads where you've been tearing a strip off someone for diagreeing with you, when you've posted up what can only be construed as clickbait.

I really think you need to wind your neck in a bit and be considerate of the fact that others have opinions that may conflict with yours. If you are going to point out the perceived deficiencies in their argument, please do it in a mature and non-confrontational manner.

People are welcome to disagree with me all they like.

I asked someone to qualify why they reckoned the penalty was too lenient. It seems that every time a nbiker is taken out the only penalty that will suffice or satisfy most is where the driver is hung drawn and quartered rather than actually considering it from another perspective.

Every time a conviction is mentioned, 99% jump on the band wagon and whinge about being too lenient.

I get fed up repeating why certain penalties are imposed or people thinking thata bikers life is ony worth x amount.

Of course people are entitled to their opinon and I have absolutely no problem with that, but if people want to make unfounded or inaccurate statements then I will continue to make comment.

I know that as sure as hell if I made a comment about something that I wasnt that knowledgable about, there are plenty of people who would be only too eager to jump down my throat, but it only seems to work one way these days.

spiderwheels · #6 Post by **spiderwheels** » Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:56 am

T.C. for those of us who are rarely involved with the law and accident conditions, the meat of your response to fatboy is very educational but the aggression wasn't necessary.

I'm sure we have all narrowly avoided accidents identical to the one in that video clip and our immediate response would have been to show the driver the finger while shouting expletives and thinking they should be marched in front of a firing squad of large calibre weapons i.e. our stress response goes through the roof.

Later on we might reflect on how we are choosing to ride around on a tiny and sometimes near-invisible vehicle and how that might have contributed to the situation.

However, showing that clip to people who have been in that situation is going to cause us to automatically draw on our own experience and trigger our stress response and the corresponding negative comment(s).

As you say:

Every time a conviction is mentioned, 99% jump on the band wagon and whinge about being too lenient.

so it's not as if you weren't expecting someone to say it.

T.C. · #7 Post by **T.C.** » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:09 am

spiderwheels wrote:T.C. for those of us who are rarely involved with the law and accident conditions, the meat of your response to fatboy is very educational but the aggression wasn't necessary.

You are absolutely right about being aggressive and I have my reasons. But being aggressive is only allowed to flow in one direction without criticism and it is not from me.

But fear not, it won't happen again..........

Gio · #8 Post by **Gio** » Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:38 pm

Urgh I almost threw up at that video.
Yes I noticed the sun behind the rider and yes I've had almost the same done to me/done to others when in a car/van. I doubt if the £80 fine will be the end of it as the van driver will be penalised by his insurance company, ie a lot higher insurance premium.
I'd also like to know if the biker was speeding as it seemed to me he was riding briskly. Yes I do know that video can be misleading.

fatboy · #9 Post by **fatboy** » Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:12 pm

I was suggesting that an £80 penalty does little to reinforce the fact that van drivers actions could have ended a life regardless of circumstance, driver should have thought and waited.
Of course I bloody well make mistakes on the road, that is human nature and I do not claim to be perfect.
If you were privy to more detail than you cared to reveal regarding the full facts of this mishap then you should hold your tongue.
It should come as no surprise that most people on here will empathise or sympathise with the bike rider as this site is called 'Ridersite', unless said rider was being a complete knob

Gio · #10 Post by **Gio** » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:51 pm

fatboy wrote:driver should have thought and waited.

Therein lies the problem. So many factors to be considered and IMO one of the most glaring is motorcycle headlights, what a great way to reinforce sunlight, its why I am going to change my bikes headlights "always on" stupidity.

kneescratch · #11 Post by **kneescratch** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:53 am

Looking at the video its quite horrific.
However the rider is slightly at fault too.
He has not reduced speed approaching a junction knowing the sun is behind him and not anticipating what the oncoming traffic is doing.
On the video he doesn't even appear to have braked at all, his right hand is clearly wrapped around the right grip.

In these conditions just slow down a bit approaching junctions and anticipate what may happen.

Just my opinion.

Gary

kneescratch · #12 Post by **kneescratch** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:56 am

On another note how do you think this situation could have been avoided?

Different colour headlight?
High vis clothing?
Zig zagging on approach?

What are your thoughts?

Gary

Gio · #13 Post by **Gio** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:30 am

kneescratch wrote:On another note how do you think this situation could have been avoided?

Different colour headlight?
High vis clothing?
Zig zagging on approach?

What are your thoughts?

Gary

None of those.
Basically slow down or anticipate what could happen ie sun behind. Another thing is the fact that he's got a camera fitted, might make him feel overconfident in his actions.

fatboy · #14 Post by **fatboy** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:27 pm

I guess not everybody has the sense to back off a little when approaching potential trouble spots, could have been that the rider did not know the road ect.
As far as headlights go, I am an HID convert, there is no way the intense light source could be mistaken for anything other than a headlight.
I don't believe that the super visible light makes me invincible,nor do I think I need to take less care because of the HID

Gio · #15 Post by **Gio** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:28 pm

fatboy wrote:I guess not everybody has the sense to back off a little when approaching potential trouble spots, could have been that the rider did not know the road ect.
As far as headlights go, I am an HID convert, there is no way the intense light source could be mistaken for anything other than a headlight.
I don't believe that the super visible light makes me invincible,nor do I think I need to take less care because of the HID

If he didn't know the road even more of a "back off" situation imo. Its how I would ride it.