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#136 Post by **mangocrazy** » Thu May 07, 2015 9:50 pm

Or possibly get them laser cut in stainless? Cost a bit more but should last the life of the bike.

wayno · #137 Post by **wayno** » Fri May 08, 2015 8:18 am

I did think about making them out of stainless originally, but decided that I wanted them black anyway so had them powdercoated.

flatlander · #138 Post by **flatlander** » Fri May 08, 2015 12:23 pm

So that's the big question ... Is anyone making any?

fatboy · #139 Post by **fatboy** » Fri May 08, 2015 6:39 pm

I've just made a new bracket out of stainless, made to fit LED indys with only one hole for the blinker as it's a hollow stem mount.
Please note folks that this is in no way a critism of the original Wayno kit,when you take it all apart again you realise how much work went into it

FalcoDaz · #140 Post by **FalcoDaz** » Sat May 09, 2015 12:16 pm

flatlander wrote:So that's the big question ... Is anyone making any?

Hi flatlander, I'm looking in to it, I certainly want one myself. I downloaded the drawings and have just one question for Wayno, why is it 2 pieces? Based on your pictures and my measurements I'd mocked up my own version already, but out of 1 piece. Am I missing something obvious about why you did it in 2?

Flatlander, once I've found somebody local to give me a price I'll drop you an IM.

Just one last question to Wayno, what guage was the plate you had yours made from?

wayno · #141 Post by **wayno** » Sat May 09, 2015 12:51 pm

Hi mate, I did the 2 piece as it gave the option for using the stock number plate light or using an aftermarket led one (which I was planning on doing myself) I think these were 1.5mm but as fatboy said, go up a bit as the indicator mount is a weak point. One other suggestion is to think about changing the indicator area. I made it this was so that a std oraftermarket 8mm one can be used, but just changing it to take one type will make it bigger.

Note that these are to suit a 8" plate not a standard 9" so your indicators will be a bit closer.

D-Rider · #142 Post by **D-Rider** » Sat May 09, 2015 1:22 pm

wayno wrote:Hi mate, I did the 2 piece as it gave the option for using the stock number plate light or using an aftermarket led one (which I was planning on doing myself) I think these were 1.5mm but as fatboy said, go up a bit as the indicator mount is a weak point. One other suggestion is to think about changing the indicator area. I made it this was so that a std oraftermarket 8mm one can be used, but just changing it to take one type will make it bigger.

Note that these are to suit a 8" plate not a standard 9" so your indicators will be a bit closer.

I just use one of the pieces as I don't use the standard numberplate light. I made up a secondary plate to carry my number plate light, indicators and fully-legal number plate.
https://www.ridersite.com/viewtopic.ph ... indicators

Be aware of the minimum rear indicator spacing. I think the layout on the standard bike is right on the minimum limit.

D-Rider (in an old thread) wrote:
paddyz1 wrote:All good but i do remember there being a law requirement that they have to be a minimium distance apart.
I don't know if i am correct but years ago i worked at a bike shop and remember an issue about it.
I have had a search but not found anything.
Might be worth a bit of research.
Lighting Regs:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989 ... tents/made

Rules pertaining to indicators:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989 ... ule/7/made

Minimum separation 240mm
Not sure if that is the gap between lenses or between the LEDs within the lenses (I suspect the former). I'm guessing external indicators will be needed as well for the Pete/Nooj creation.

Minimum viewing angle 80degrees outward 20degrees inward

Also of interest:
1. No vehicle shall be fitted with a total of more than one front indicator nor more than two rear indicators, on each side.
2. Any number of side indicators may be fitted to the side (excluding the front and rear) of a vehicle.
.... and I have seen it said that a number plate light is not required .... these regulations show otherwise.

wayno · #143 Post by **wayno** » Sat May 09, 2015 2:58 pm

I have smoked indicators, smoked taillights and an obscenely undersized plate so I'm screwed if plod stop me anyway :)

D-Rider · #144 Post by **D-Rider** » Sat May 09, 2015 4:45 pm

I think the smoked lights are OK as long as they illuminate the right colour.

FalcoDaz · #145 Post by **FalcoDaz** » Sun May 10, 2015 3:29 pm

D-Rider wrote: Be aware of the minimum rear indicator spacing. I think the layout on the standard bike is right on the minimum limit.

By the nature of this layout the indicators are actually spaced wider than they are on the original mudguard. Because of the way the bracket attaches you have to allow clearance for the upturned indicator brackets so they end up wider by some considerable amount than original positioned. They are 210 mm to the base of the stems, which are much more than 15mm long each side.

Just a note for Flatlander, I have original indicators and intend to use the original number plate light (which has rubber grommets holding it in place, hence the 2 holes on either side of the number plate bulb hole are 12mm diameter as I intend to refit the grommets), do you have the same parts? If you haven't got the grommets from your original mudguard then the holes will be too big. A word of warning is all.

wayno · #146 Post by **wayno** » Sun May 10, 2015 6:07 pm

If I'd known you had 3d cad I'd have linked my solidworks files to save you remodelling it from scratch. It looks good with the one piece light.

Word of warning, when I took my number plate light off the bolts were so corroded they sheared with little pressure so you may want to take these off first (if you shear them, what's left isn't long enough to reuse the grommets, thus the smaller holes in mine)

flatlander · #147 Post by **flatlander** » Sun May 10, 2015 6:27 pm

Cheers skipper one bike has standard rear end the other kind if almost does :)

FalcoDaz · #148 Post by **FalcoDaz** » Mon May 11, 2015 5:20 pm

Thanks for the heads-up Wayno. I've had the light off recently without too much trauma, the bolt head actally broke out of the plastic, thankfully weaker than bolt, but they were both seriously corroded.

the 3D CAD isn't too clever it can't work back from 3D to 2D. It's actually a carton packaging design system, so fundamentally 2D with ability to fold into 3D.

anyway i have a couple of enquiries out for prices, hopefully something positive comes from them.

If anyone else is also interested, let me know as I'm sure they get cheaper if made in volume?

#149 Post by **mangocrazy** » Mon May 11, 2015 5:42 pm

What material are you thinking of getting them made in?

fatboy · #150 Post by **fatboy** » Mon May 11, 2015 6:31 pm

If you can be persuaded to go down the stainless route....
I'd happilly pay the extra !