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Willopotomas · #1 Post by **Willopotomas** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:07 pm

C'mon. Someone had to mention it. Unless like the last 17 months it has passed me by un-noticed..lol.

What are peoples thoughts? Brilliant opportunity, or blind stupidity?

HisNibbs · #2 Post by **HisNibbs** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:58 pm

Status quo or to boldly go.

flatlander · #3 Post by **flatlander** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:29 pm

If I was Scottish I would vote yes on the other hand if everyone else had been asked should we get rid of the scots they may well have saiid yes :)

Aladinsaneuk · #4 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:13 am

i think they have the right to choose

but i also think that if they choose yes, then they are buggered - and personally, i hope that parliament sticks to its guns - no pound etc.....

Dalemac · #5 Post by **Dalemac** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:24 am

It'll be a resounding 'no vote'.

To take such a gamble over key issues such as currency, defence and healthcare is insanity in my mind.

In the event of a split, we will spend the next few decades in the courts arguing over who gets what. It will be like a massive divorce case which will seemingly never end. The only people who will win are the lawyers - budgets will have to take further cuts so we can pay them...

Whatever the vote, significant damage has already been done between our two nations, and there seems to be a significant damage within Scotland itself.

Not to mention we look like idiots in front of the world stage.

Can anyone ever see a US state trying to break free?

If they do vote yes, then that's it. sever all ties, don't give them the pound, and no bailing them or their businesses out.

flatlander · #6 Post by **flatlander** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:10 pm

If they vote yes the Westminster lot will cave in as usual and try to convince everyone that it is the right thing to do

The Tories will try to throw Cameron out and no one will want to win the next election so they don't get blamed for it all going to t0ss

If as predicted its a no vote then more money and power will go to the Picts and everyone else will be told its the right thing to do as if it was a yes vote

Personally I'd vote to get rid of them I wouldn't want my wife to stay if she didn't want to

D-Rider · #7 Post by **D-Rider** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:01 pm

Just a few of my thoughts ....
The process:

Cameron doesn't want independence .... why has he put this process in place which he then has to campaign to oppose? ....

Why is such a fundamental change from the status quo being decided on a simple majority of the poll - at best the decision of public opinion on one particular day (of a public who don't understand many of the issues - not least because half of it has not been decided). A higher percentage would be more sensible to ensure this was a long-term decision that really has some credence in long-term support.

Given the referendum is happening and it is right that the Scotts have the greater say, it is a decision that affects us all and it does not seem entirely fair that the views of the wider UK population are not taken into account within the decision (with some lower weighting).

Other Thoughts ....

What are people actually voting for/against?
Well I think there are many reasons and I think different people will have different expectations of independence.
I think for many "Yes" voters, they will be voting to not be governed by Westminster (but to have a more local bunch of politicians that may or may not be any better). Unfortunately, it won't be based on whether the real people north and south of the border have a consensus of purpose.
Unfortunately this vote comes at a time when we have a deeply unpopular government (that if you asked people from other regions of the UK, they would like to ditch too ..... yes the scots and many of the rest of the regional populations share a common view on that one).

No one really knows what they are voting for ... they know what the SNP is about today but as has been said in some debates, it's not about the SNP today - it's not about today's set of policies (though that is all many are considering) .... what is this about on 20, 50, 100 years time when the result of one day's vote will still be in place?

Let's face it, the "No" campaign has not been good and every time hoity-toity, Eton schooled Cameron opens his mouth, we all want to leave!
Odd he should actually have a Scottish surname ....

There is also the view that an independent Scotland and the UK will carry on cooperating through EU links ... but we all know that there is uncertainty whether Scotland will be allowed (to continue) in the "club" as an independent nation.
There is also the possibility that Scotland could eventually re-join only for the Daily Mail and Farage's racist idiots to hoodwink the remaining UK population to quit the EU ... but that's a discussion for another day.

As for dividing the island ... well partitioning places always works so well .... I give you Ireland, Palestine, Korea ... just for starters.

Neil Oliver (TV's Coast to Coast presenter) makes some very pertinent points very eloquently:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... small.html

On a more light hearted note .... I think you'll enjoy the following - whichever side of the debate you are on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YkLPxQp_y0

My prediction .... it will be close but having looked over the cliff they will err on the side of caution and stay - it's human nature.

fatboy · #8 Post by **fatboy** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:41 pm

Well the 307 year itch needs to be scratched, John Oliver raised some valid issues in a really funny way, Cameron as usual portrayed himself as the upper class twit he really is.
The desire to break away from the Cameronites is fully understandable, the consequences of doing so are not.
We on this side of the border have had no say in this, the possible ending of the union.
Which ever way the vote goes, around 50% of Scotlands residents will be pissed off,not a good result at all.
If it is a Yes vote then I think Scotland will be trying to run before it has learned to walk

Dalemac · #9 Post by **Dalemac** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:29 pm

fatboy wrote:Well the 307 year itch needs to be scratched, John Oliver raised some valid issues in a really funny way, Cameron as usual portrayed himself as the upper class twit he really is.
The desire to break away from the Cameronites is fully understandable, the consequences of doing so are not.
We on this side of the border have had no say in this, the possible ending of the union.
Which ever way the vote goes, around 50% of Scotlands residents will be pissed off,not a good result at all.
If it is a Yes vote then I think Scotland will be trying to run before it has learned to walk

I wonder if any of the nationalist scots have taken a look at ireland recently. That is the way they are headed...

Infact, they could emigrate to Ireland right now, Be independant from the UK and be in the EU, and enjoy a country that has double the unemployment rate that Scotland has...

flatlander · #10 Post by **flatlander** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:13 pm

Spain, which has a veto, had a vested interest in complicating any scot access to the eu if it was a yes vote as several regions most nat ably catalunya are leaning towards their own claims for independence. Their referendum has been declared illegal though.

MartDude · #11 Post by **MartDude** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:45 pm

The important stuff is being forgotten. What effect would Scottish independence have on the price and availability of whisky and Tunnock's caramel wafers?

BikerGran · #12 Post by **BikerGran** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:45 pm

Not thinking about it thanks.

Wasting my time thinking about it will not alter the result or any effect on me - so I'm not.

nicketynoo · #13 Post by **nicketynoo** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:20 pm

This vote could have serious consequences for the rest of the uk. We'd probably never ever get another curling medal of any sort in the winter olympics!

D-Rider · #14 Post by **D-Rider** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:52 am

D-Rider wrote: My prediction .... it will be close but having looked over the cliff they will err on the side of caution and stay - it's human nature.

Well I was wrong, in the end it wasn't even close.

fatboy · #15 Post by **fatboy** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:33 pm

A victory for common sense in every respect !
The SNP now know they do not own Scotland, Westminster has had a kick up the arse and know know they dont own the Union and must engage in constitutional change.
Tunnocks goodies and single malts will still be freely available

Mr Smoked Salmond has retired and fired a rocket up the arse of the state of politics today
RESULT !