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Is that what I did the other day when taking a plug out? I CAN'T RECOMMEND IT...Smilinjack wrote:Just on the point about earthing yourself before handling an Eprom, you might consider buying an antistatic bracelet with a 3 pin plug on it. You can earth yourself to the mains while you are fitting the chip. Not a massive sum and good insurance. Try Maplins, RS Components, Farnell etc.
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blinkey501
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Changed three eproms with no "Strap". Two on my falco's and one on tim's mille.Smilinjack wrote:Just on the point about earthing yourself before handling an Eprom, you might consider buying an antistatic bracelet with a 3 pin plug on it. You can earth yourself to the mains while you are fitting the chip. Not a massive sum and good insurance. Try Maplins, RS Components, Farnell etc.
I do believe after 18 months tim is still using his bike as a daily commute?
My bikes run ok.
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flatlander
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Yes it's the "proper"way to do it but just touch something metal first and you should be fine. Never had a chip burn out yet and that includes thousands of PCs. Most I do is use some free gloves from the petrol station and a bit of care
For the avoidance of doubt and for the benefit of my wife, not everything I may say here will be absolutely true I may on ocassion embellish a little for effect.
That said when it comes to motorbikes, I like to ride side saddle with a nice frock
That said when it comes to motorbikes, I like to ride side saddle with a nice frock
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Smilinjack
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No, static is a small risk but a risk nonetheless. And it is of course perfectly safe to use the earth pin in your wall socket-that's why these bracelets are often made with a dummy plug. Touching soemthing metal isn't really the correct approach. You should touch something metal which is earthed, such as a central heating pipe. 
Absolutely .... or even just touch the ground itself.Smilinjack wrote: Touching soemthing metal isn't really the correct approach. You should touch something metal which is earthed, such as a central heating pipe.
Also .... don't touch the pins on the chip
Also .... do make sure you get the chip in the right way round
.... and although chips do have static discharge protection on their pins, they can only cope with so much and it is definitely worth taking precautions. It is not unknown for a chip to be damaged and work fine for a while before it actually fails.
BTW I would advise against the "free plastic gloves from a petrol station" - it shouldn't be a dirty job and in using them it's likely you will be increasing the static risk (think about charging up a balloon by rubbing it - generating enough static to make your hair stand on end .... or for many on the forum, someone else's hair to stand on end)
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flatlander
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Except that a balloon is a different thing altogether
as for something earthed ... oh yeah that's right but then you may as well just get the bracelet jobby .... and don't forget the anti static mat ... and to make sure your footwear is the correct composition to take advantage of it ... and at the same time isn't the sort that builds up static from contact with certain floor coverings.
You may also want to check that the metereological conditions favour changing a chip that day as atmospheric static may cause an extra issue plus if you get hit by lightening the chip may het damaged
...not to forget that if you are using the plug in type of static discharge you may need a certified electrical engineer to confirm that the wiring in the wall is still to standard and boy been monkeyed around with ... and that the correct discharge parameters are met
Remeber if you are in a rural area this may be done by earth rods so you may need to check that and if not then check that the piping is fact earthed and current... No further pun intended
Or you could just remove the ECU from the bike with reasonable care and change the chip you can get a replacement good chip for 40£
Can tell we live in fekkin Britain ...I bet if you think about it you will have done something far riskier this weekend even if its just leave the house or row the wife! Oh don't tell anyone when and where you may do the deed as they get onto H&S!
as for something earthed ... oh yeah that's right but then you may as well just get the bracelet jobby .... and don't forget the anti static mat ... and to make sure your footwear is the correct composition to take advantage of it ... and at the same time isn't the sort that builds up static from contact with certain floor coverings.
You may also want to check that the metereological conditions favour changing a chip that day as atmospheric static may cause an extra issue plus if you get hit by lightening the chip may het damaged
...not to forget that if you are using the plug in type of static discharge you may need a certified electrical engineer to confirm that the wiring in the wall is still to standard and boy been monkeyed around with ... and that the correct discharge parameters are met
Remeber if you are in a rural area this may be done by earth rods so you may need to check that and if not then check that the piping is fact earthed and current... No further pun intended
Or you could just remove the ECU from the bike with reasonable care and change the chip you can get a replacement good chip for 40£
Can tell we live in fekkin Britain ...I bet if you think about it you will have done something far riskier this weekend even if its just leave the house or row the wife! Oh don't tell anyone when and where you may do the deed as they get onto H&S!
For the avoidance of doubt and for the benefit of my wife, not everything I may say here will be absolutely true I may on ocassion embellish a little for effect.
That said when it comes to motorbikes, I like to ride side saddle with a nice frock
That said when it comes to motorbikes, I like to ride side saddle with a nice frock
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Smilinjack
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Flatlander, this has nothing to do with H & S, or the fact that we're in Britain. I was trying to make the OP aware of a potential risk when changing an eprom. You have been corrected by two different people (the gloves remark is correct) and your response is to try and ridicule well intentioned and correct advice. Pleased he likes his cans, shame about the eprom.
Twintin, pity the chip is buggered. No you will not cause any problems running those cans with a stock chip, Im running the same set up. I fried 2 ECU's by riding with a bad earth on the voltage regulator so I have a Forza and a Gabro chip waiting to be fitted.
I must say Im surprised how good the stock chip is but both the above are far smoother and a bit swifter than stock.
A Forza will set you back about £45, the Gabro about £70/80.
Some very good write ups on eproms, use the search facility.
Will you now change your name to Twin Carbon ?
I must say Im surprised how good the stock chip is but both the above are far smoother and a bit swifter than stock.
A Forza will set you back about £45, the Gabro about £70/80.
Some very good write ups on eproms, use the search facility.
Will you now change your name to Twin Carbon ?
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Yes it's a shame but it just won't have it, just doesn't prime the fuel pump. I can't see any damage but it's obviously knackered. The guy I bought it from offered to take it back but to be honest I'm very happy with the cans. I took it for a quick blast and it felt a lot better, pulled very well and sounds amazing so I'm happy to keep them. When I get some more funds I'll perhaps look at replacing the chip but for now I'm happy with setup.