K and N and Scottoiler?

[Aladinsaneuk]

ok, as i am off to excel in a month, and bargains are to be had I would value some opinions

My falco is fairly standard - only change will be the FUEL exhausts that will be fitted - would a K&N make a difference? and if so - a worthwhile difference? Also - are they simply a bolt on part?

Next - am pretty certain, as i am off to eire in may for a tour that I want a scottoiler - is it worth it to have the most expensive, or will the standard one do?

cheers

[TwinNut]

My first post on RS, well here goes........the K&N is supposed to be a straight replacement for the existing circular filter but I found that to make it seat nicely I had to 'shave' the top lip a little with a scalpel. Nothing drastic just a couple of mill all round. It simply sits within the air box (or under the tank if you've done the Evo airbox mod) and doesn't 'bolt-on' as such like the old chrome topped K&N 56's did. Once it was installed it made my standard bike (at the time) run slightly but noticeably smoother until I got used to it. I'd only notice the difference now if I put the old useless filter back in.

[Kwackerz]

ok, as i am off to excel in a month, and bargains are to be had I would value some opinions

My falco is fairly standard - only change will be the FUEL exhausts that will be fitted - would a K&N make a difference? and if so - a worthwhile difference? Also - are they simply a bolt on part?

Next - am pretty certain, as i am off to eire in may for a tour that I want a scottoiler - is it worth it to have the most expensive, or will the standard one do?

cheers

I did chuck an answer up last night however took it down to make it more legible! I'll repost it, anyways..

1. Has it (your bike) been fully derestricted? It should have been..?

2. Do the Fuel Zorsts come with an uprated Eprom Chip? Do they say whether they need the Eprom remapping (well, a differently mapped one fitting) ? I looked at the FUEL site and only saw racecans?

Usually speaking, from what ive personally seen, If you're going to allow an engine to breathe out better, youre gonna need to let it inhale better too. Pointless letting it open it's arse to let out more if it cant get that 'more' in through it's intakes.. If you do it to one end, do it to the other.. usually.

Fitting a Filter (or one of the 'Airkits') works well in doing the above, however the Bike is fuel injected, not carbed, so as you cant readily adjust needle heights to tune the cans in (and the airfilter) you'll need to have the fuelling remapped..the Eprom... to do it properly. You can alter stack heights too for further fine tuning, etc but let's ignore that!

You need to basically find the map that lets the bike run at it's optimum for those items you've fitted.
You dont want it burning lean or overfuelling as a result of the cans or airfilter. It'll need doing on a rolling road as well, in order to do it properly. a decent RR with the facility to test the zorst gasses, etc. If you cant find one or dont want to fork out then I suppose you could go the layman route and just fit the items and let it run for a bit. After a while take the cans off. Look down the inlet to the can and the outlet. they should have a certain amount of carbon, not too little and not too much.

If the Bottom of the can (the inlet end) is either black or has naff all carbon deposit, then it's either too rich (lots of carbon) or too lean (no carbon) at lower revs. Same with the exhaust can outlet, but the reference there is more for higher revs. Hopefully that makes sense.

The airkits.. be it the ones I know of.. Renegade's or EVOLUZIONE are relatively cheap and make a hell of a difference to performance (and noise) the Rene one comes with it's own version of the scottoiler.. the crankcase breather is redirected from the air inlet housing where it normally runs, down to the front sprocket, where it lubes the chain. It acts like a cheap, easy solution to a Scottoiler, it does get messy at decent speed though!

A standard K and N replacement will still make a difference though, is cheaper than an 'airkit' however may not provide the same power!


Ive spent waaaaay too much time near Jorge at Renegade...

Saying that,

Ive also spent too much time drunk with Jorge from Renegade, usually at racetracks surrounded by Aprilia Racebikes..


All the above should be correct, however someone who has played with one more recently will no doubt be able to offer a better answer.

[Gio]

I did chuck an answer up last night however took it down to make it more legible!.

Don't worry Kwack we know what you meant

[Aladinsaneuk]

From the Fuel faq:

Will I need to rejet or remap my bike when I fit a Fuel exhaust?

No, you do not need to rejet or remap. Our exhausts are designed to work with standard settings providing the baffle is fitted. If you do choose to rejet or remap, you will see further power gains and improved throttle response.

as for derstriction - yes, the wire has been snipped and the airbox opened :)

hmm - how effective is the renegade as an oiler? - any thoughts any one?

[Kwackerz]

If you're going to use it with the baffles fitted (as in restricted like a standard can would be) then I can accept that you'd get away with not having to mess about with the Eprom and set up. If youre going to ride it more with the baffles out, then I'd humbly suggest that maybe it's worth looking into getting it set up

Cant remember who's got the renegade airbox mod fitted (I fitted a few when down West kingsdown, but cant remember names..bound to be some on ARS) It does work, how well I couldnt say, Ive only ever fitted them, not evaluated them. Have a search on ARS, Im sure there'll be posts there. check the Tech section I think though, I'd be tempted to fit a small breather filter to the end of it as opposed to going for the 'chain lube' option.. Saves a lot of cleaning i'd guess!

Hope that helps

(I dont work or didnt work for Renegade btw.. Ask people about the Renegade 'Family'!! ..It was more joining an exclusive club than buying an exhaust!)

[Aladinsaneuk]

now why on earth would i wantg to remove some baffles from a set of road legal exhausts that bubble along quite quietly - if i removed the baffles it would only sound like the mound of the hound of the baskervilles barking at all the poor sad buggers in cars...


I ask you - why would i do that :)

(Point made - will look into a new eprom as well)

[Falcopops]

Next - am pretty certain, as i am off to eire in may for a tour that I want a scottoiler - is it worth it to have the most expensive, or will the standard one do?

What do you mean by standard and most expensive.

AFAIK there is the metering unit that feeds the oil to the sprocket and thats it aroung £60 0r £70. There are add ons like the touring reservoir, I had one on my old FJ1200 contains more oil than Texas and should last forever, but wouldn't be nice to fit to the falco (behind the plate). What I've got on the Falco is the lube tube. A tube that holds about 250ml of oil and tucks in almost anywhere, mine lolls about under the back seat/cowl. Costs about £20.

Check their site http://www.scottoiler.com/

[Aladinsaneuk]

as i understand it, the standard oils one side of chain, the dual injector oils both - if that makes sense?

http://www.scottoiler.com/pc/Scottoiler ... ector.html

apologies if i didn't make much sense!

[Falcopops]

Aha,

You are right. I've got the oil delivery onto the front sprocket so I cant use the dual delivery option. I would use it if I could, just seems like the better option.

[Falco9]

If you overfill with engine oil the breather from the renegade air kit is /can be a very effective chain oiler. However it's not too highly recommended as the excess oil can go everywhere.

I have noticed a fine mist from the breather which decends onto the chain and the clear pipe I have used has browned with oil over the last 3 years, but considering the amount of oil I used to find in the airbox with the std system I reckon it's better off lubing the chain

F9