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4 pad calipers

#1 Post by zoidberg » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:41 pm

How much better than the stock items are they?

Not sure whether just to buy some sbs pads or try and get a hold of some 4 pad calipers.

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#2 Post by D-Rider » Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:27 pm

zoidberg wrote:How much better than the stock items are they?

Not sure whether just to buy some sbs pads or try and get a hold of some 4 pad calipers.
Many will tell you they are a lot better but I think that comes from them replacing their old 2-pad setup that's in need of a service with a 4-pad set that's been fettled before being fitted.

I had not long serviced my 2-pad callipers before I fitted the 4-pads so I think that I was able to have a more objective comparison.
They are better, there's no doubt but it's not such a huge improvement.

If you have the offer of some 4-pads at a cracking price, go for it. If not stick with the 2-pads and give them a good going over - that in itself will give a big improvement (unless they are already well cleaned and appropriate parts lubricated)
Oh, and don't forget to clean up the bobbins on the disc carriers - that makes a difference too.
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#3 Post by Aladinsaneuk » Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:43 pm

As he said

A good service and two seperate front brake lines is about the same imho


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#4 Post by zoidberg » Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:33 pm

Thanks guys. I'll stay stock and get some hoses..

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#5 Post by D-Rider » Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:35 pm

zoidberg wrote:Thanks guys. I'll stay stock and get some hoses..
We get some pretty good forum discount from Hel (25%)

https://www.ridersite.com/viewtopic.php?t=7483
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#6 Post by zoidberg » Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:49 pm

Cool. The brakes lack bite and need a good squeeze, the pads are almost worn out. I'll order some and strip and clean the calipers whilst there.

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#7 Post by Falco Frank » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:01 pm

I also found a slight performance improvement changing over to the 4-pad calipers but for me the big bonus was that I could get the same braking force but with less effort needed on the lever - making longer rides much less tiring.

I've done this upgrade on my touring Ducati as well and never regretted it!

NB - Upgrading from 2 pad goldlines to P4/34 calipers WILL require new hoses as the banjo mount is on the outsides not 'on top' of the calipers.
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#8 Post by jonnie_r » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:10 am

I have just bought some from the US, £140 for the pair and £30 ish postage.

Will be getting chucked on very soon.

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#9 Post by Aladinsaneuk » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:55 am

Just to remind you as above

You do need new brake lines..... Take the opportunity to have two seperate lines..


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#10 Post by mangocrazy » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:49 am

Aladinsaneuk wrote:You do need new brake lines..... Take the opportunity to have two separate lines..
The only time I'd question that advice is if you also have a radial brake master cylinder with the take off point underneath the m/cyl. I found that the banjos for dual brake lines simply wouldn't fit in the space available and had to have a 'one into two' line made up with a tee-piece in the bottom fork yoke area. Much like the standard RSVR one, in fact.

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#11 Post by jonnie_r » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:14 pm

Aladinsaneuk wrote:Just to remind you as above

You do need new brake lines..... Take the opportunity to have two seperate lines..
Separate lines are on their way too, that was always a planned mod when I swap the callipers. Need to do the same to my 955 Daytona, just haven't got round to it yet.

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#12 Post by zoidberg » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:24 pm

The separate lines ok from stock calipers?

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#13 Post by Aladinsaneuk » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:34 pm

The standard system - which is highly regarded btw- has a single line that splits to each caliper

The purists / racers like a separate line

I did it - because I could, not because it would make me a better rider - I am no where near that league!

Was it worth it - I think so... The original lines are very good, but age probably has an effect and a good service and over haul is worth it

Are the 4 pad brakes worth it - for the average rider probably not IMHO

I cannot comment on the radial conversions though those who have done it, and whose opinions I value, rate it


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#14 Post by D-Rider » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:49 pm

There are different Radial conversions - Callipers, Master cylinders, both.

Mango and I have gone for 4-pad callipers and radial masters (but we have different radial masters).

I'd say they have better feel - not that there was a problem with the standard ones.
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#15 Post by zoidberg » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:57 pm

Thanks guys, I know the standard setup is three lines. I was wondering if a two line setup forvstockmcalipersvwill suit the 4 pad calipers?

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