Death crash policewoman escapes charges (One for TC)
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Death crash policewoman escapes charges (One for TC)
Are you able to shed any light on this TC? Something sounds a bit off to me.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/ ... s-charges/
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/ ... s-charges/
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Quite bad to think that someone had died and there's absolutely no prosecution. She pulled out regardless, witnesses say he wasn't speeding... So, am I missing something or is it still her fault for pulling out?... Unless there's something I'm missing then this annoys me massively.
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Deffo seems a bit iffy, but the report is from a motorcycle publication and by a journo who wasn't there, so I'm not convinced that's all there is to it.
The admission of use of the mobile should be easily confirmed fro phone records, so she would have to change her story.
I know over here that to use a phone in the car it must be in proper holding device, on your lap is an offence, what are the rules in the UK?
The admission of use of the mobile should be easily confirmed fro phone records, so she would have to change her story.
I know over here that to use a phone in the car it must be in proper holding device, on your lap is an offence, what are the rules in the UK?
Same - must be hands-free (and sitting in your lap is not considered as such ....) ..... and you can't turn the speaker on without touching it.Falcopops wrote:
I know over here that to use a phone in the car it must be in proper holding device, on your lap is an offence, what are the rules in the UK?
As Cathcart says, she pulled out anyway - so if she wasn't wilfully distracted the likelihood is she pulled out recklessly.
Though all said, I don't know enough of the facts so it's all conjecture.
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She wasn't a policewoman but a special - a 'hobby bobby'. And the biker was one of our club members. MCN wasn't far out, here's the original from our local paper.
http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/1 ... mmentsList
http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/1 ... mmentsList
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Re: Death crash policewoman escapes charges (One for TC)
She should have been prosecuted and convicted SimplesWillopotomas wrote:Are you able to shed any light on this TC? Something sounds a bit off to me.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/ ... s-charges/

As mentioned, she was a special Hobby Bobby not a regular, and many of the problems have arisen since Specials have been allowed to drive marked police vehicles which was never allowed at one time, and from my inside information, this hobby bobby thought she was above the law and teflon coated.
CPS decided not to prosecute even though it was proven that she lied to the investigators, and the evidence was good.
However, (and why am I not surprised) CPS decide that it would be easier not to prosecute rather than give it a run for its money. Even the investigating Police officers told the CPS that they really must prosecute, but that fell on deaf ears
Have a look at the link
http://www.policeoracle.com/news/HR,+Pe ... 61316.html
That tells you how stupid and incompetent the CPS are.
But bottom line and back to the original question, I am in full agreement, she should have been prosecuted and convicted.
On the plus side, although the civil case is going to take a while and the action id against the Police service, she is going to suffer years of having to answer questions and being reminded and having to declare it for her own policies.
Not much consolation to the family, but it will at least give this tart some grief for time to come
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Hopefully at the very least she will loose her 'special constable' status, be thrown out of the police.
Can't they ban her from driving or something?
The justice system is a joke. People have been imprisoned for wandering over the speed limit. All because 'speed kills'.
The only logical conclusion that I can draw is that speeding, per trial, kills more (harder? faster? more motivation to kill?) than *actual murder*, per trial.
So murder is less criminal than speeding?
OK.... There are some people down in London that have been pissing me off for a few years....
Can't they ban her from driving or something?
The justice system is a joke. People have been imprisoned for wandering over the speed limit. All because 'speed kills'.
The only logical conclusion that I can draw is that speeding, per trial, kills more (harder? faster? more motivation to kill?) than *actual murder*, per trial.
So murder is less criminal than speeding?
OK.... There are some people down in London that have been pissing me off for a few years....
I doubt she will be a Special for very much longer.Dalemac wrote:Hopefully at the very least she will loose her 'special constable' status, be thrown out of the police.
Can't they ban her from driving or something?
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However the only people who can ban her from driving are the courts and that is not going to happen as the CPS have decided not to prosecute.
She certainly won't drive a Police vehicle again though.
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The police inspector did go back to the CPS to ask them to change their decision but no go.
The woman finally resigned from the Specials, I would think it very likely that it was made clear that she was no longer welcome.
As many have said, the 'justice' system is a joke. A bad one.
The woman finally resigned from the Specials, I would think it very likely that it was made clear that she was no longer welcome.
As many have said, the 'justice' system is a joke. A bad one.
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The family of the deceased could consider a private prosecution, but this can be a difficult path.Dalemac wrote:Is there no option to appeal? The thought of this woman driving on the road again is absurd! Not even an extended retest?T.C. wrote:However the only people who can ban her from driving are the courts and that is not going to happen as the CPS have decided not to prosecute.
I imagine that what the family really want is closure.
As BG said the CPS was asked to reconsider its decision not to prosecute, but as usual they (The CPS) decided to take the easy option even in the face of compelling evidence and simply drop it.
Not the first time this has happened and sure won't be the last
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I presume the CPS are answerable to a Government Minister who is answerable to Parliament?
If so, a mailing campaign to MPs and/or a (properly worded and constructed) on-line petition to the Government might be worthwhile - probably somewhat more effective than "liking" on Farcebook ..............
If so, a mailing campaign to MPs and/or a (properly worded and constructed) on-line petition to the Government might be worthwhile - probably somewhat more effective than "liking" on Farcebook ..............
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Its also from a motorcyle publication that tries to create a persecution mentality amongst bikers.Falcopops wrote:Deffo seems a bit iffy, but the report is from a motorcycle publication and by a journo who wasn't there, so I'm not convinced that's all there is to it.
Not in the way you suggest - thank God. Do you really want political prosecutions? Ministers deciding who will and who will not be prosecuted?D-Rider wrote:I presume the CPS are answerable to a Government Minister who is answerable to Parliament?
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As I said above, here's the original report from our local paper, the Bournemouth Echo.lazarus wrote:Its also from a motorcyle publication that tries to create a persecution mentality amongst bikers.Falcopops wrote:Deffo seems a bit iffy, but the report is from a motorcycle publication and by a journo who wasn't there, so I'm not convinced that's all there is to it.
http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/1 ... mmentsList
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An online petition is being prepared, and there is a Facebook page to co-ordinate the campaign - it's just been started and it's all a bit new. Not sure if many people here are on FB but here's the link for anyone who wants it....
https://www.facebook.com/JusticeForDavidBartholomew
https://www.facebook.com/JusticeForDavidBartholomew
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