Sorry to bring up this depressing subject, but are you all aware of the threat of EU Type Approval legislation which will be voted on in July? This will severely restrict our freedom to alter our motorbikes in any way other than some very minor cosmetic changes. Probably not retrospective so Falcos should still be able to be blinged up.
We will lose any option to change air filters, chains, sprockets, exhaust, suspension, and even tyres that are not type approved.
I have seen this threat in another sport and it is not a joke. It is worth taking the time to read about it and then writing reasoned letters (not rants) to your MEP and MP. This is likely to be very bad for the motorcycle industry and us.
If you are not aware of this you can find out more the MAG website or at:
http://www.ridersarevoters.org/
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If anyone has difficulty sleeping, here is the said regulation:
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/ ... 542_en.pdf
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Type Approval Legislation
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blinkey501
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I think our government should tell the EU to fuck off. My grandads fought to stop a dictator telling us what to do many years ago, and now we are being told to comply.
What is up with our leaders.
I see we are back in a recession (officially), And our government is giving 10 billon to th EU.
We have a massive debt, fuel prices through the roof, i feel like i cattle being rounded up
Being in the EU but not run by the EU thats what Blair said when he signed the Agreement...WTF
What is up with our leaders.
I see we are back in a recession (officially), And our government is giving 10 billon to th EU.
We have a massive debt, fuel prices through the roof, i feel like i cattle being rounded up
Being in the EU but not run by the EU thats what Blair said when he signed the Agreement...WTF
Totally agree with you Blinkey, its all been done under the pretense, in the 1970s, of a common market we now have an EU superstate that costs us £50,000,000 a day to be part of! i was trying to listen to an INterview of Nigel Farge (ukip) on radio 4 today and he made sense despite the fact that the interviewer was trying to rubbish his facts!
the first party that say the will give the general populas a vote on in/out of europe will get my vote!
Letter going to my mp very shortly
the first party that say the will give the general populas a vote on in/out of europe will get my vote!
Letter going to my mp very shortly
Let's not divert this into a silly Britain v the rest of Europe bit of nonsense.
Within the other parts of Europe there are those that either want to get bikes off the road / have the misguided view that life must be lived with no fun or risk / that have swallowed the global warming stuff ..... just as there are those in Britain that support these views.
There are those in the rest of Europe that do not share those views - just as there are in this part of Europe we call Britain. There are those in the rest of Europe that are outraged that they would be adversely affected by this just as we are.
The "us and them" is not a matter of geography but between those in all parts of Europe with different views and opinions.
So rather than use this as a "Europe bashing" debate, we'd be far better to focus our efforts, along with our like minded continental friends and fight this proposal itself.
Within the other parts of Europe there are those that either want to get bikes off the road / have the misguided view that life must be lived with no fun or risk / that have swallowed the global warming stuff ..... just as there are those in Britain that support these views.
There are those in the rest of Europe that do not share those views - just as there are in this part of Europe we call Britain. There are those in the rest of Europe that are outraged that they would be adversely affected by this just as we are.
The "us and them" is not a matter of geography but between those in all parts of Europe with different views and opinions.
So rather than use this as a "Europe bashing" debate, we'd be far better to focus our efforts, along with our like minded continental friends and fight this proposal itself.
“Scientists investigate that which already is. Engineers create that which has never been.”
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-- Albert Einstein
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Aladinsaneuk
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fair point andy
personally I would rather go back to bombing the buggers though
(Though I suspect the health and safety nazi's would object as it is too loud or something)
personally I would rather go back to bombing the buggers though
(Though I suspect the health and safety nazi's would object as it is too loud or something)
Let's face it, you wouldn't go to a nurse to get good advice on a problem with a Falco - you'd choose an Engineer or a mechanic...
.... don't forget we have a few continental friends on the forum .... we need to be clear that your bombing proposal is targeted at those who seek to restrict our fun wherever they live and is not targeted at those who just happen to live across the water ......Aladinsaneuk wrote:fair point andy
personally I would rather go back to bombing the buggers though
(Though I suspect the health and safety nazi's would object as it is too loud or something)
“Scientists investigate that which already is. Engineers create that which has never been.”
-- Albert Einstein
-- Albert Einstein
I wasn't advocating an "us and them" stance, or anything like that and i totally agree that there are a fair few frenchmen, germans dutch etc etc that are totally anti EU.
what annoys me is the fact that legislation like this is put forward by people with out a clue that probably recieve thick brown envelopes from manufactures to bring this to law.
Personally i think we should take a class action against the british goverment for misrepresentation in 1974 when Ted Heath got us into this fine mess
what annoys me is the fact that legislation like this is put forward by people with out a clue that probably recieve thick brown envelopes from manufactures to bring this to law.
Personally i think we should take a class action against the british goverment for misrepresentation in 1974 when Ted Heath got us into this fine mess
24th June 2012
Another EU "Hands off Biking" Demo.
Only this time it is going EU wide, the idea is to set of from all points at the same time in all EU countries.
The point of one demo in each EU Parliamentary constituency carries great
symbolism, but this means of course, that some constituencies are
dramatically different in size.
http://www.europarl.org.uk/view/en/your ... egion.html
Scotland for example will only need one... as will Wales and N Ireland
and I realise that this will lead to some riders having to travel
further than others, but this will always be the case somewhere, as will
the unfortunate situation of clashing with other events.
*Where the runs go/are will be dependent on a few variables:*
Your local road network
Strength of activists on the ground to marshal bikes into and out of
start points
The relationship with the police forces within the constituency (for
example in North East the Northumbria force won't be happy, but the
Durham Force may be)
Any other political significance (for example Glasgow to Edinburgh as
it's the seat of local power, or Swansea toward Cardiff for the same reason)
London is a constituency in it's own right and does have the M25, the
West Mids has it's own M-way ring road
The South East is a weird shape, effectively including Thames Valley so
a decision, depending on population density, member activity, proximity
to another event etc will need to be made
I think Midday would be a good, easy to advertise time to start
These runs will be longer than before
What type of road chosen will lead to all the usual problems of
alienating learners, but we must again ask, how many will this really
affect set against ease of organisation, marshalling road junctions etc
Early approaches to police will be important. They cannot stop us doing
this, but they can make it difficult. Our battle in this instance is
with the MEPs who still haven't acknowledged the problems or agreed to
call for the deletion of article 18.
The demo is in its infancy at the moment but please check http://www.mag-uk.org/en/index/a6296 or your local MAG groups websites for further details.
If they don't have anything on the site contact them and ask WHY NOT?
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Another EU "Hands off Biking" Demo.
Only this time it is going EU wide, the idea is to set of from all points at the same time in all EU countries.
The point of one demo in each EU Parliamentary constituency carries great
symbolism, but this means of course, that some constituencies are
dramatically different in size.
http://www.europarl.org.uk/view/en/your ... egion.html
Scotland for example will only need one... as will Wales and N Ireland
and I realise that this will lead to some riders having to travel
further than others, but this will always be the case somewhere, as will
the unfortunate situation of clashing with other events.
*Where the runs go/are will be dependent on a few variables:*
Your local road network
Strength of activists on the ground to marshal bikes into and out of
start points
The relationship with the police forces within the constituency (for
example in North East the Northumbria force won't be happy, but the
Durham Force may be)
Any other political significance (for example Glasgow to Edinburgh as
it's the seat of local power, or Swansea toward Cardiff for the same reason)
London is a constituency in it's own right and does have the M25, the
West Mids has it's own M-way ring road
The South East is a weird shape, effectively including Thames Valley so
a decision, depending on population density, member activity, proximity
to another event etc will need to be made
I think Midday would be a good, easy to advertise time to start
These runs will be longer than before
What type of road chosen will lead to all the usual problems of
alienating learners, but we must again ask, how many will this really
affect set against ease of organisation, marshalling road junctions etc
Early approaches to police will be important. They cannot stop us doing
this, but they can make it difficult. Our battle in this instance is
with the MEPs who still haven't acknowledged the problems or agreed to
call for the deletion of article 18.
The demo is in its infancy at the moment but please check http://www.mag-uk.org/en/index/a6296 or your local MAG groups websites for further details.
If they don't have anything on the site contact them and ask WHY NOT?
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Aladinsaneuk
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I agree
and i also acknowledge the many fine folk both here, and elsewhere from the other side of the north sea
BUt
what have we gained from europe? our tax system is not in line with theirs - hence why our fuel prices are awful... our educational system is busy going to shit - its cheaper to study in europe than here ..... go figure
our employment laws are shafted - what we want to do, we cannot do due to european working time regulation, but we have to work longer weeks than most in europe and have less public holidays
our legal system is held to ransom by a court we did not choose, that is ruled by a constitution that was drawn up with out our say so
and finally we are supposed to support european laws to do with our road systems which - again - we had no part in deciding
Oh - and we are expected to pay a stupid amount of money each year to be a part of this club.....
so, please do tell me what exactly we gain from being a part of europe?
and i also acknowledge the many fine folk both here, and elsewhere from the other side of the north sea
BUt
what have we gained from europe? our tax system is not in line with theirs - hence why our fuel prices are awful... our educational system is busy going to shit - its cheaper to study in europe than here ..... go figure
our employment laws are shafted - what we want to do, we cannot do due to european working time regulation, but we have to work longer weeks than most in europe and have less public holidays
our legal system is held to ransom by a court we did not choose, that is ruled by a constitution that was drawn up with out our say so
and finally we are supposed to support european laws to do with our road systems which - again - we had no part in deciding
Oh - and we are expected to pay a stupid amount of money each year to be a part of this club.....
so, please do tell me what exactly we gain from being a part of europe?
Let's face it, you wouldn't go to a nurse to get good advice on a problem with a Falco - you'd choose an Engineer or a mechanic...
Pete, I think you've answered your own question with your examples of where things are not so good here because we've not integrated properly.
However let's not turn this into an EU debate, this thread is a call to fight Type Approval legislation - so let's write to our MEPs (sticking to the issue rather than bashing Europe in general - we want the MEPs to support us) and do our best to support the protest rides that Moose has highlighted.
Co-ordinated action across Europe would be awesome.
However let's not turn this into an EU debate, this thread is a call to fight Type Approval legislation - so let's write to our MEPs (sticking to the issue rather than bashing Europe in general - we want the MEPs to support us) and do our best to support the protest rides that Moose has highlighted.
Co-ordinated action across Europe would be awesome.
“Scientists investigate that which already is. Engineers create that which has never been.”
-- Albert Einstein
-- Albert Einstein
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Aladinsaneuk
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LOL - i agree mate
(And it really does remind me why I enjoy the company of so many people here - rational arguments and discussions in the main - i would still like to bomb some places though - but i would start with great yarmouth....)
(And it really does remind me why I enjoy the company of so many people here - rational arguments and discussions in the main - i would still like to bomb some places though - but i would start with great yarmouth....)
Let's face it, you wouldn't go to a nurse to get good advice on a problem with a Falco - you'd choose an Engineer or a mechanic...
I have to agree with Alad on his last two posts, and i think D has a point in this not being a debate on the EU as we all know what's wrong with it!
The usual thing happens when unelected people have a taste of power, they want more, and this is usually to the detriment of the people that put them in power in the first place.
Right thats me done on the subject and i do realise some people wholeheartedly believe europe is a good thing, and that's what makes this place a nice place to visit.
The usual thing happens when unelected people have a taste of power, they want more, and this is usually to the detriment of the people that put them in power in the first place.
Right thats me done on the subject and i do realise some people wholeheartedly believe europe is a good thing, and that's what makes this place a nice place to visit.