Fitting a New Shape RSV swinger

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fastrider · #1 Post by **fastrider** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:25 pm

{Split from the "Couple of Q's on the Mille swinger" thread. by D-Rider

}

Without hijacking your thread too much

CAN ANYONE tell me what is the going rate for an 05 Mille swinger please (no dents) complete with linkages and plastic chain runner from a Mille Factory.

Also the going rate of an 05 Mille Factory shock?

Also, I take it that the 05 Factory swinger and related shock will fit
a Falco without any problems (clearances etc).

Finally, will the 05 Factory OZ wheels fit Mille-R 2000 Ohlins front?

apologies for asking a lot, but I aint done owt like modify a bike before, and now I got some Ohlins forks, I wanna go the whole hog (handling wise).

any info appreciated chaps.

D-Rider · #2 Post by **D-Rider** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:00 pm

fastrider wrote:
Also, I take it that the 05 Factory swinger and related shock will fit
a Falco without any problems (clearances etc).

That's why few have done this mod.
Clearance between the top of the swinger and the battery box is not great.
Some have solved this by relocating the battery and choppong off the battery box part of the undertray.

Pierre has fitted one of these swingers as has Hansie.

You'll find most of what you want to know HERE
(scroll down until you find "Installing a 2004 RSV Mille Swingarm and Shock.")

fastrider · #3 Post by **fastrider** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:29 pm

Thanks D-Rider,

Eeekk

not sure if I really want to hack the battery box area away.

Oh bar-stewards!!! Found what looks like a decent 05 Factory swinger
on fleabay, along with the shock

, but now looks like I may have to continue to wait until a 98-03 one appears (sheesh, Christmas will be here
before then

)

Hang on a mo tho, if you jack the back up a little, besides giving faster
steering, would that not then give the required clearance safety margines?

neil

D-Rider · #4 Post by **D-Rider** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:43 pm

Maybe Pierre or Hansie can help you - I think that the only way to be sure is to hear from someone who has done the mod.

(mind you, be careful with Pierre's advice - he'll have you assembling it from a collection of random parts gathered from a number of late-night ebay sessions preceeded by a full evening's binge-drinking - and then only allow them to be used if they are riddled with cracks deeper than the Grand Canyon)

BTW, that's a posh new avatar .... what's the story?

fastrider · #5 Post by **fastrider** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:53 pm

Thanks for the info D-rider, mucho obligio

I really really want to get the back end sorted now, I think the bug
has bitten me. Just so difficult sourcing the damn parts.

I decided to change my avatar from the Leeds United badge to
the City of Leeds Coat of Arms. Thought, no one else has got
owt like it, so why not be different for a change.

Hansie · #6 Post by **Hansie** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:58 pm

I'm here!
At this moment I'm driving with the 04+ swingarm, WP shock (same length as stock), stock dogbone and homemade sideplates. Rideheight is aprox 15mm above stock. Being almost 100kg and no problems with the battery box.Steering is quick but no problem, even better than stock!
Pierre used the 04+ linkplates and his one is even higher, if I can get the dimensions (or a set) I gonna try that too.
Stock sideplates is to low.

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto=7LRKC3E6

fastrider · #7 Post by **fastrider** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:06 pm

Hansie, any info I can glean from you guys who have seen it - done it
got the Tee shirt thing, then all the better. At least what you state gives
me some confidence/encouragement, thanks mate.

I am new to this lark, and if its poss to do the mods without resorting
to hacking

, then I would be much happier.

Anyone know what the going price for a swinger on ebay runs out at?
I am thinking around 80 - 100 GBP or is that too low?

fastrider · #8 Post by **fastrider** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:13 pm

Oh and Hansie

Being almost 100kg and no problems with the battery box

,

I am a tad less than that - around 65-70kg at present, so I will give your idea
some deep thought.

cheers mate

Pierre · #9 Post by **Pierre** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:48 pm

Without resorting to hacking? Wheres the fun in that? If you want to do it properly listen to Hansie instead.

I think I paid @£200 for '04 arm, linkages and carbon hugger. Possibly spindle and adjusters. Possibly chain. Cant remember

Paid extra for the shocker.

There was an earlier shape arm on ebay and i think i posted a link in for sale section. It would have bolted straight in for £250 including wheel

I think the 05 oz wheels are the radial type and the front will fit if you machine 2.5mm from each side as per instructions on AF1 site. Rear wheel is a lot harder apparently? Bedtime

fastrider · #10 Post by **fastrider** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:24 pm

Hansie - your bike is same colour as mine (2k model) - obviously the best and fastest colour bar non ( even YellowDuck can't argue wi that

) anyway I digress...

Was it difficult to make your own sideplates? Not had any experience in this stuff, I do have a drill and dremell. How did you know what size to make em?

Also what's the difference between the WP and Ohlins rear (besides the obviouse name and colour)? If the WP fits why not Ohlins?

Lastly

, Does the quickness of steering now require a damper?

Questions questions that's all I got (at the mo)

Hansie · #11 Post by **Hansie** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:37 pm

Everybody knows that the reds are the faster ones but wont admit...

I put the swingarm in the desired height and measured it.
Made a 3D CAD file and send it to the lasercutter....job done!

It is the shock length which is the same, brand is personal choice.
I think that the first Ohlins replacement shock for Falco came with a vertikal mounted reservoir. Fits perfect with the stock swinger but not with both RSV swingers.

I think that a steeringdamper is only needed on a Falco if you use a SBK bar instead of clipons, rideheigth rear is to low stock. (many lowering the front but than you get less ground clearence).Raise rear rideheight improves the steering!

Falco9 · #12 Post by **Falco9** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:04 am

Also worth bearing in mind is the fact that swapping the swinging arm does nothing to improve the handling at all. It's purely an aesthetic modification.

Well worth it though (IMHO) get the Ohlins front & rear, get the sag set and then fine tweak to suit and voila!!!!!!!!!!!!! one fantastic piece of kit that will run rings around most bikes out there

I personally would always run with a steering damper fitted. I had a tank slapper with the Falco and it scared the s**t out of me. It's fair to say the head bearings were a tad loose at the time, but since fitting one I much preferred the feeling of stability a damper gives especialy on the rougher roads we have in sunny Yorkshire!

F9

fastrider · #13 Post by **fastrider** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:06 pm

Falco9, Hansie,

Thanks for info once again. Been out n about today and have got my hands on a spanking new 06 RSV-R swinger (no chain guard etc just the bare swinger).

Soooo I now need the shock and linkages to complete the package (well....for the moment that is

). OH and a hugger.
Anyone know of any going up for grabs

It is the shock length which is the same, brand is personal choice.
I think that the first Ohlins replacement shock for Falco came with a vertikal mounted reservoir. Fits perfect with the stock swinger but not with both RSV swingers.

OK, good to know I can use any make shock then. And if I were to use a shock with remote reservoir, then I guess I would not have a clearance problem? As it is the clearance between the swinger/hugger and piggy backed reservoir that is the problem in point?

Hansie: can I be so bold as to ask if you would be kind enough to send me
a copy of your CAD file so I can try your idea please. If it's not possible then no worries, I will try something else.

cheers
fastrider

Gio · #14 Post by **Gio** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:01 pm

Hansie wrote:Everybody knows that the reds are the faster ones but wont admit...

I put the swingarm in the desired height and measured it.
Made a 3D CAD file and send it to the lasercutter....job done!

It is the shock length which is the same, brand is personal choice.
I think that the first Ohlins replacement shock for Falco came with a vertikal mounted reservoir. Fits perfect with the stock swinger but not with both RSV swingers.

I think that a steeringdamper is only needed on a Falco if you use a SBK bar instead of clipons, rideheigth rear is to low stock. (many lowering the front but than you get less ground clearence).Raise rear rideheight improves the steering!

So are you saying leave the heads at standard height and just raise the rear end?

I'd be interested in that purely because with falco9's bike I believe (correct me if I'm wrong Rich) there's an issue with grounding the belly pan on its present setting (3.5 rings showing above the headstock). I'd much rather raise the rear by that amount than drop the forks.

Goldie · #15 Post by **Goldie** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:12 pm

Gio wrote:I'd be interested in that purely because with falco9's bike I believe (correct me if I'm wrong Rich) there's an issue with grounding the belly pan on its present setting (3.5 rings showing above the headstock). I'd much rather raise the rear by that amount than drop the forks.

That's a known issue with that type of bellypan. Only really a problem on trackdays, I believe.

...but with legs like yours you could raise the rear as far as you want!

Doesn't the Ohlins shock on your bike (...see I managed not to call it F9's

) have ride height adjustment?