Which of these is the bigger pillock?

[Samray]

Is it still panto season?

http://www.lbc.co.uk/watch-red-light-cy ... rest-49821

[BikerGran]

When I first went to work for the local police force, new recruits got 3 weeks training in-house, then they went off to Police College for about 6 weeks. Then when they finished that they went out on the street accompanied by a tutor constable for another 3 weeks or so.

Now they get a couple of weeks initial training, a few days with a tutor, and they're on their own. (The Police College was closed down years ago). So you can't blame them really!

Which is one of the reasons I reckon they might as well get rid police constables as they are paid twice as much as a plastic policeman (PCSO) but actually are no more effective.

[D-Rider]

When I first went to work for the local police force, new recruits got 3 weeks training in-house, then they went off to Police College for about 6 weeks. Then when they finished that they went out on the street accompanied by a tutor constable for another 3 weeks or so.

Now they get a couple of weeks initial training, a few days with a tutor, and they're on their own. (The Police College was closed down years ago). So you can't blame them really!

Which is one of the reasons I reckon they might as well get rid police constables as they are paid twice as much as a plastic policeman (PCSO) but actually are no more effective.

.... or like many other jobs, put a minimum level of qualification on entry to it. To have police without a fairly comprehensive knowledge of the law is just madness.
This needn't cost the taxpayer (though perhaps it should) - most other jobs that require qualifications expect their new recruits to come in with the basic qualifications having studied for several years at their own expense - taking out loans that they have to pay back once working.
That said, I'm not in favour of our current financing of education for those embarking of careers that the country needs. The medical, teaching, legal and engineering professions are some of those that should be funded as the country needs those skills and also benefits greatly from them.
It is mind-boggling that the police will not have had in-depth training in the law and law enforcement which is continually refreshed throughout their employment.
Having to rely on whatever bits of law they happen to pick up and an attitude of "I'm in a uniform, you do what I say" is not enough. Perhaps people would also have greater respect for them were they better trained.

[randomsquid]

I had some pull out of the way so that I could filter past on the way home. I'd say they're pretty well trained.

[D-Rider]

Which of these is the bigger pillock?

I've just found time to watch the clip .... and think that Sam has it just about spot on with the title.
Arrogant cyclist who thinks it's fine to jump the red light
Numptie copper who hasn't got a clue (which, from previous points above, may just be down to the fact that the system provides us with untrained policepeople - if that's the right term in this day and age .....)

[Kwackerz]

I feel sorry for the copper. He's trying so hard to remember ' section XXX of the road traffic act'* but is put on the spot by a pompous twat and loses the upper hand.. Pity.

Pompous twat will hopefully fall foul of his bloodymindedness and end up across the bonnet of a quite substantial vehicle some time soon with PC from the video in attendance. I think my first words would be.. 'Who's the clever c**t now then?


* im not a copper I dont have to remember it, or be correct.

[Aladinsaneuk]

cyclist was in the wrong

BUT copper was also wrong - unless you are arrested, you are not obliged to give your name etc - you can be asked but....


(That is my understanding of the law but)

pompous twat will no doubt fall foul of an arctic proceeding across a green light so he will get his own come uppance via a trip to A&E

the copper will learn how to handle a situation and to communicate with people - and like nursing, i would suggest that 90% of his job is common sense and communication, not dishing out tickets

[Dalemac]

how can you intuitively get onto a bike?

[Willopotomas]

Two of my biggest pet hates in conflict. They both deserve a punch in the face.

Officious copper and "road owner" cyclist..

[MartDude]

how can you intuitively get onto a bike?

She'll probably help you

[back_marker]

cyclist was in the wrong

BUT copper was also wrong - unless you are arrested, you are not obliged to give your name etc - you can be asked but....

No problem. Give name and address so that I can issue you with a ticket or I will arrest you for the offence that you have committed.

Sure he can be done for obstructing the Police or some such anyway.

[Aladinsaneuk]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -policeman

and

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... erties-law

having said that, I believe that it is normally a good idea!

[fatboy]

On a similar vane, there is no such thing as Just routine Sir for being stopped with a motor vee hickle. Plod has to specify a specific reason for delaying you on your merry way. Does piss em of when they pull you, you ask Whats the problem? They reply No problem Sir. Its now time to give it a hefty twist of the throttle,dump the clutch ha ha

[BikerGran]

The links above refer to 'stop and search' which is different from the cyclist thing. There is a traffic offence of 'failing to give name and address to a police officer' - for when someone has committed a traffic offence.

[fatboy]

Not seen the vid as its now been removed, I did say on a similar vane tho BG !
No such thing as a routine traffic stop !