I think it is in our best interest to sign this
https://submissions.epetitions.direct.g ... ions/22251
Epetition against modifications
Moderators: Aladinsaneuk, MartDude, D-Rider, Moderators
I don't !
Not because I don't agree but yet again whoever has put it together has not bothered to comply with the basic requirements of an e-petition and as a result it will not be looked at.
Not because I don't agree but yet again whoever has put it together has not bothered to comply with the basic requirements of an e-petition and as a result it will not be looked at.
“Scientists investigate that which already is. Engineers create that which has never been.”
-- Albert Einstein
-- Albert Einstein
No ... but, unfortunately, this particular petition won't help as it does not meet the criteria to be reviewed - the first being a request to the government to do something specific. If that is not actually stated it may as well not exist.
I need to read up on the background of this but I think it's the same thing that the government had open for consultation a few months ago and requested that people responded - largely in support of their sensible approach to it (ie in favour of any useful stuff and against the bits that we wouldn't like).
I believe that consultation is now closed.
That said, I need to check this is the same thing I was thinking about.
I need to read up on the background of this but I think it's the same thing that the government had open for consultation a few months ago and requested that people responded - largely in support of their sensible approach to it (ie in favour of any useful stuff and against the bits that we wouldn't like).
I believe that consultation is now closed.
That said, I need to check this is the same thing I was thinking about.
“Scientists investigate that which already is. Engineers create that which has never been.”
-- Albert Einstein
-- Albert Einstein
F Off EU T/A laws
Know MCN did a big demo recently but I have not looked at their site yet, they work with MAG,fairly sure they will have got it together. Will have a look tomorrow, its a school night for me and 5am is not that far away
Cleverly disguised as an adult !
The cretins behind the legislation have pretty much said if they can't find hard evidence that these measures are needed, then they'll use 'speculation' and 'anecdotal evidence' to make it happen.
It's being pushed for by the Euro ABS manufacturers. Big business deciding policies again, rather than rider 'safety'.
It's being pushed for by the Euro ABS manufacturers. Big business deciding policies again, rather than rider 'safety'.
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Aladinsaneuk wrote:andy is having a VERY heavy period
Email from MAG today:
The European Commission has proposed that part of its controversial new 'Anti-Tampering' regulations, which will affect all future bikes registered for the road, should be re-written to prevent chop-builders from using 'long-forks'.
The Commission now proposes that any bikes being put through the Individual Vehicle Approval test (the safety inspection made before non Type-Approved imports, one-off specials, etc. (currently known as Motorcycle Single Vehicle Approval) would have to complete a slalom and U-Turn before being registered, to prevent modifications to the length of the forks.
Up to now, the draft regulations have only talked about requiring manufacturers to design the 'power-train' (engine, transmission, final-drive and rear tyre dimension) so that it becomes difficult for owners to modify them from standard.
The UK representatives in the technical discussions joined FEMA and others in opposing the proposal, not least because the Commission cannot produce any evidence to show that modified bikes are unsafe.
The Commission is expected to continue to seek further restrictions on the ability to modify bikes in future despite mounting criticism that it has failed to consider whether there is any demonstrable case for restricting riders liberty to modify their bikes to suit their own needs.
Motorcycle Action Group had previously warned that the vagueness of the Commission's proposals to restrict modifications could mean the ambitions of those who want to save us from ourselves might extend beyond the draft proposals that have been under discussion since 2010. We've drawn attention to Annex 2 (item 12) of the EU Type Approval and Market Surveillance Regulation before, which wishes to measure/control steerability, cornering properties and turn ability and this is what is playing out now. This development is part of the creation of the Delegated Acts, the technical specifics designed to accompany the Regulation and the very specifics we were concerned that the members of IMCO hadn't been able to see. (IMCO is the committee who voted on 5th Dec to approve the Regulation through it's First Reading). Remember the regulation has two more stages to pass through; The Council (National Governments) and the full EU Parliament.
In response to that IMCO vote, the European Twowheel Retailers' Association (ETRA) recently said
"If the current text of article 18 is adopted by the European Parliament and the Council, all usual changes asked by motorcyclists to their garages for either riding comfort, fuel efficiency, or to suit their style and taste, will be illegal or will have to be checked and approved, thus making motorcycling more expensive and servicing more burdensome.
As regards article 52 on System components and separate technical units, the report has left the current text practically unchanged. Once again we want to express our concerns on the negative effects it can have on the sales and service sector, such as preventing the sale of all systems, components or separate technical units which have dual use, i.e. which are used for both sport activities (not taking place on public roads) and for road use. "
So the retailers of Europe aren't very happy and neither it would seem are the manufacturers
ACEM (the association of European manufacturers) said of the IMCO vote and specifically the mandatory fitment of ABS on all bikes and scooters
"On this point, ACEM deplores the IMCO vote outcome, which would translate into a heavier burden due to the added costs of more stringent environmental and safety measures. This applies in particular to light motorcycles and scooters of the 125cc class (L3-A1), which form the core of the EU ailing market and provide urban mobility and social cohesion benefits to citizens, as recognised by the IMCO report itself. For this category of motorcycles, ACEM regrets that safe advanced braking systems alternatives to ABS such as Combined Braking Systems have been scrapped from the available safety measures, effectively wiping out years of investments in research and development.
Furthermore, IMCO voted against amendments supporting international harmonisation in terms of the durability test procedure, which brings unnecessary duplications of tests and costs to industry and, in the end for the consumer, without any measurable environmental benefit. "
So it looks like just about everybody is unhappy with developments so far and now as the Delegated Acts develop I'm sure the politicians and bureaucrats will continue to upset people. MAG's campaigning against the creeping scope of interference in riders' right to choose what kind of bike they ride continues in 2012. I hope you can encourage everyone you know to Join MAG and help in the battle. The full EU Parliament is due to vote on this on 14th March, so that means your MEPs
All the best
Paddy Tyson
Campaigns Co-ordinator
Motorcycle Action Group
01926 844064
www.mag-uk.org
The European Commission has proposed that part of its controversial new 'Anti-Tampering' regulations, which will affect all future bikes registered for the road, should be re-written to prevent chop-builders from using 'long-forks'.
The Commission now proposes that any bikes being put through the Individual Vehicle Approval test (the safety inspection made before non Type-Approved imports, one-off specials, etc. (currently known as Motorcycle Single Vehicle Approval) would have to complete a slalom and U-Turn before being registered, to prevent modifications to the length of the forks.
Up to now, the draft regulations have only talked about requiring manufacturers to design the 'power-train' (engine, transmission, final-drive and rear tyre dimension) so that it becomes difficult for owners to modify them from standard.
The UK representatives in the technical discussions joined FEMA and others in opposing the proposal, not least because the Commission cannot produce any evidence to show that modified bikes are unsafe.
The Commission is expected to continue to seek further restrictions on the ability to modify bikes in future despite mounting criticism that it has failed to consider whether there is any demonstrable case for restricting riders liberty to modify their bikes to suit their own needs.
Motorcycle Action Group had previously warned that the vagueness of the Commission's proposals to restrict modifications could mean the ambitions of those who want to save us from ourselves might extend beyond the draft proposals that have been under discussion since 2010. We've drawn attention to Annex 2 (item 12) of the EU Type Approval and Market Surveillance Regulation before, which wishes to measure/control steerability, cornering properties and turn ability and this is what is playing out now. This development is part of the creation of the Delegated Acts, the technical specifics designed to accompany the Regulation and the very specifics we were concerned that the members of IMCO hadn't been able to see. (IMCO is the committee who voted on 5th Dec to approve the Regulation through it's First Reading). Remember the regulation has two more stages to pass through; The Council (National Governments) and the full EU Parliament.
In response to that IMCO vote, the European Twowheel Retailers' Association (ETRA) recently said
"If the current text of article 18 is adopted by the European Parliament and the Council, all usual changes asked by motorcyclists to their garages for either riding comfort, fuel efficiency, or to suit their style and taste, will be illegal or will have to be checked and approved, thus making motorcycling more expensive and servicing more burdensome.
As regards article 52 on System components and separate technical units, the report has left the current text practically unchanged. Once again we want to express our concerns on the negative effects it can have on the sales and service sector, such as preventing the sale of all systems, components or separate technical units which have dual use, i.e. which are used for both sport activities (not taking place on public roads) and for road use. "
So the retailers of Europe aren't very happy and neither it would seem are the manufacturers
ACEM (the association of European manufacturers) said of the IMCO vote and specifically the mandatory fitment of ABS on all bikes and scooters
"On this point, ACEM deplores the IMCO vote outcome, which would translate into a heavier burden due to the added costs of more stringent environmental and safety measures. This applies in particular to light motorcycles and scooters of the 125cc class (L3-A1), which form the core of the EU ailing market and provide urban mobility and social cohesion benefits to citizens, as recognised by the IMCO report itself. For this category of motorcycles, ACEM regrets that safe advanced braking systems alternatives to ABS such as Combined Braking Systems have been scrapped from the available safety measures, effectively wiping out years of investments in research and development.
Furthermore, IMCO voted against amendments supporting international harmonisation in terms of the durability test procedure, which brings unnecessary duplications of tests and costs to industry and, in the end for the consumer, without any measurable environmental benefit. "
So it looks like just about everybody is unhappy with developments so far and now as the Delegated Acts develop I'm sure the politicians and bureaucrats will continue to upset people. MAG's campaigning against the creeping scope of interference in riders' right to choose what kind of bike they ride continues in 2012. I hope you can encourage everyone you know to Join MAG and help in the battle. The full EU Parliament is due to vote on this on 14th March, so that means your MEPs
All the best
Paddy Tyson
Campaigns Co-ordinator
Motorcycle Action Group
01926 844064
www.mag-uk.org
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I guess we can only assume that all artics will have to comply with the same manoeuvrability tests .........
.... yeah - right.
As Mango said, this is getting serious .... but at least we the humble riders are not on our own. Industry seems to be saying the same thing, I seem to remember our government were taking a similar line and I'm guessing that will be true of a good number of other governments (particularly those with a motorcycle industry). Our fellow riders throughout Europe will take a similar view too.
We've not lost this yet - just need to get our message across well. Lobbying our MEPs in a manner that gets them on side is obviously a priority.
Time for some emails.
.... yeah - right.
As Mango said, this is getting serious .... but at least we the humble riders are not on our own. Industry seems to be saying the same thing, I seem to remember our government were taking a similar line and I'm guessing that will be true of a good number of other governments (particularly those with a motorcycle industry). Our fellow riders throughout Europe will take a similar view too.
We've not lost this yet - just need to get our message across well. Lobbying our MEPs in a manner that gets them on side is obviously a priority.
Time for some emails.
“Scientists investigate that which already is. Engineers create that which has never been.”
-- Albert Einstein
-- Albert Einstein
