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Fancy new speed control sign.

#1 Post by HowardQ » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:18 pm

It seems we have a new variation on speed control displays.
The nice ones that flash up your speed and say “slow down” when you go through them at 60 plus in a 30 limit, (only joking officer), and say a nice “thank you” when you go through at 28mph.

On the way to Willingham Woods last night I discovered a new one, which seems to be just for the biking fraternity.
It is sited on the A620 between Retford and Gainsborough. This is a road that has been inundated with lamp post messages in recent times, like the one with a three headlight bike, (which appears to be an early RSV), with the comment “To die for ???”, (Well some people do like their Aprilias quite a lot ??!!??)., and the classic "Bends Dead Ahead".


On the bit of the A620 between Clarborough and Beckingham at North Wheatley, there is a dual carriageway with a fast L/Hand bend at the end where it goes back to a single carriageway again, or the reverse coming the other way, which is at the end of a long straight and even faster.

It all used to be unrestricted, but like many roads in this area recently now has a blanket 50 limit, which is not that well respected by any road users.
As I went down the last bit of the dual carriageway approaching this fast left hander last night, at probably about 65 (ish), I noticed the new sign, didn’t get a right good look, but the display indicated a left hand bend, and an LED impression of a bike, the rider has it banked over with his left knee down and underneath in big letters it just says “TOO FAST”.
Quite pretty really, but can’t help wondering does this just trigger for bikes in some way, or does it sense and display something different for the fast white van man with the tail out on opposite lock, or the Rep in his repmobile late for his appointment and explaining the the customer on the phone, whilst taking bend at 90 and drinking a coffee at the same time. :smt017
Or alternatively, does whatever goes through it at speed always get a display of a biker getting his knee down?
Keep an eye out for them, you can bet they will be appearing on a fast A Road bend near you very soon!
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#2 Post by D-Rider » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:31 pm

1) if you got through the bend comfortably, it probably wasn't "too fast"
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2) maybe it was too fast if your attention was taken by a bl@@dy stupid sign flashing up at you
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#3 Post by Kwackerz » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:38 pm

I think the average rider can cope with a flashing aprilia sign.. Think of racers, theyre circulating the track at 90mph+, 2ft off the back wheel of a fellow racer and theyre having to read pitboard info of what, 3 lines? and concentrate all at the same time and then the next day theyre back at school in the 4th Year revising for their exams...

I do think it seems a bit biased though.
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#4 Post by D-Rider » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:03 pm

Kwackerz wrote:I think the average rider can cope with a flashing aprilia sign.. Think of racers, theyre circulating the track at 90mph+, 2ft off the back wheel of a fellow racer and theyre having to read pitboard info of what, 3 lines? and concentrate all at the same time and then the next day theyre back at school in the 4th Year revising for their exams...

I do think it seems a bit biased though.
Yeah - but you're not thinking about the more mature rider (....let's refer to him as "Max") who can fail to see so many pitboards that suggest a little diversion through the pitlane that they end up having to shake big black flags at him and telling him he can't play any longer .....
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#5 Post by Kwackerz » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:08 pm

I like to think the average British Biker is a cut above the Roman Emperor.. :smt002
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#6 Post by D-Rider » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:20 pm

Kwackerz wrote:I like to think the average British Biker is a cut above the Roman Emperor.. :smt002
Well height-wise most of us are somewhat above him (though, obviously, not all)
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#7 Post by back_marker » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:27 pm

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#8 Post by Kwackerz » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:34 pm

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#9 Post by HowardQ » Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:35 pm

Sorry just to clarify, the Aprilia image signs are the "To Die For" ones on plastic cards fixed to lamp posts etc.. This new sign that flashes is an LED one on a bigger version of the usual sort of slow down display showing the rear of a bike going into a left hand bend (just like the one you are arriving at) with the bike banked over and the rider appears to have his knee down, so perhaps it's just showing how an experienced biker should be taking the corner, possibly even Max on a good day!
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#10 Post by Nooj » Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:47 pm

If you approach the corner at a more leisurely pace, does it flash up a picture of 'Upright Dave' with his elbows locked and his feet sticking out with the message "TOO SLOW"?
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#11 Post by HowardQ » Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:04 am

Don't know yet, I've only been through it once and I wasn't going slow. :smt002
P.S. and anyway Dave wasn't with me :smt003
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Re: Fancy new speed control sign.

#12 Post by blinkey501 » Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:07 am

HowardQ wrote:It seems we have a new variation on speed control displays.
The nice ones that flash up your speed and say “slow down” when you go through them at 60 plus in a 30 limit, (only joking officer), and say a nice “thank you” when you go through at 28mph.

On the way to Willingham Woods last night I discovered a new one, which seems to be just for the biking fraternity.
It is sited on the A620 between Retford and Gainsborough. This is a road that has been inundated with lamp post messages in recent times, like the one with a three headlight bike, (which appears to be an early RSV), with the comment “To die for ???”, (Well some people do like their Aprilias quite a lot ??!!??)., and the classic "Bends Dead Ahead".


On the bit of the A620 between Clarborough and Beckingham at North Wheatley, there is a dual carriageway with a fast L/Hand bend at the end where it goes back to a single carriageway again, or the reverse coming the other way, which is at the end of a long straight and even faster.

It all used to be unrestricted, but like many roads in this area recently now has a blanket 50 limit, which is not that well respected by any road users.
As I went down the last bit of the dual carriageway approaching this fast left hander last night, at probably about 65 (ish), I noticed the new sign, didn’t get a right good look, but the display indicated a left hand bend, and an LED impression of a bike, the rider has it banked over with his left knee down and underneath in big letters it just says “TOO FAST”.
Quite pretty really, but can’t help wondering does this just trigger for bikes in some way, or does it sense and display something different for the fast white van man with the tail out on opposite lock, or the Rep in his repmobile late for his appointment and explaining the the customer on the phone, whilst taking bend at 90 and drinking a coffee at the same time. :smt017
Or alternatively, does whatever goes through it at speed always get a display of a biker getting his knee down?
Keep an eye out for them, you can bet they will be appearing on a fast A Road bend near you very soon!
Living at misterton and travelling down to mansfield and nottingham for work, and home of course i can tell you that my van does not trigger this sign. But my bike does. The reason that the speed limit has been dropped is because a biker decided to over take at ther top of clarborough hill and he hit a vehicle head on and unfortuatly became another statistic :smt009 The left hand bend at the end of wheatly bypass many moons ago, another biker took the bend too fast and hit a lorry head on has he went too wide. unfortunatly there are some that do not know the road and though i do admit it is an awsome stretch to open the bike up it has caught a few out. I do about 2000 miles a month in my van and i see a lot of stupidity with impatient car drivers and van drivers alike, and i travel to the colwick part of nottingham, i use the A 6097 and the a A 614 respectively and in the last few months they have also been turned into 50MPH limits. I travel between 50-60 and even though i am above the limit at times the best way to describe it is has a rat race with cars and vans breaking there neck to pass me, though i do usually catch them up has they get stuck behind lorrys further down :smt003. I think we can expect to see a lot of limits dropped to 50 in the near future :smt012
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Re: Fancy new speed control sign.

#13 Post by D-Rider » Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:19 am

blinkey501 wrote:
Living at misterton and travelling down to mansfield and nottingham for work, and home of course i can tell you that my van does not trigger this sign. But my bike does. The reason that the speed limit has been dropped is because a biker decided to over take at ther top of clarborough hill and he hit a vehicle head on and unfortuatly became another statistic :smt009
So, nothing to do with speed then - an inappropriate overtake ..... change of speed limit won't address this.


blinkey501 wrote:
The left hand bend at the end of wheatly bypass many moons ago, another biker took the bend too fast and hit a lorry head on has he went too wide. unfortunatly there are some that do not know the road and though i do admit it is an awsome stretch to open the bike up it has caught a few out.
By "too fast" do we mean within the previous speed limit or above it?

If within the previous limit, then maybe some better signage (the problem with that being that they put up signs telling you of so many sharp bends that aren't with advised speeds that are half what is OK that nobody takes any notice) or if really necessary, reduce the limit for the bend itself.

If the accident happened above the previous limit. what good is reducing the limit going to do?


Of course I don't want people to be killed or injured but I'm sick and tired of the proliferation of unnecessary speed restrictions and the creeping extension of existing restricted areas.
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Re: Fancy new speed control sign.

#14 Post by BikerGran » Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:21 am

blinkey501 wrote: i see a lot of stupidity with impatient car drivers and van drivers alike
And let's be honest, bikers as well!

I'm always moaning that there are hardly any roads round her in Dorset now that don't have a 50 limit - some are dual carriageways! Think the time is coming when there'll be a blanket 50 like in the US. Then we'll all be breaking the law most of the time, but there won't be any police to enforce it so that's ok.


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Re: Fancy new speed control sign.

#15 Post by D-Rider » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:22 am

BikerGran wrote:
blinkey501 wrote: i see a lot of stupidity with impatient car drivers and van drivers alike
And let's be honest, bikers as well!

I'm always moaning that there are hardly any roads round her in Dorset now that don't have a 50 limit - some are dual carriageways! Think the time is coming when there'll be a blanket 50 like in the US. Then we'll all be breaking the law most of the time, but there won't be any police to enforce it so that's ok.


(feeling a bit jaundiced today)
Indeed - we are getting more and more regulation as a result of the lack of (sensible) enforcement of previous legislation. The big problem is that the new legislation is pointless as:
a) it won't be enforced against those who it should be - just as the previous wasn't
b) will turn the majority of road users into law-breakers
c) has no real effect with speed issues, the majority of problems for which the newer limits are justified happen at speeds that would already have fallen outside the previous limits (and would still safe for the majority of us in the majority of conditions)
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