Advice on parts needed for winter work

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rick · #1 Post by **rick** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:37 pm

I've been quiet here for a while, life has been busy and just returned from my holiday. Went out for a long overdue ride today on the Falco but it was cut short with really shocking weather... it reminded me that the depths of winter arent too far away so I need to sort out ordering stuff for my winter work.

I have various things to do including caliper overhaul, fluids all round, oil/filter change, K&N treatment on my air filter, valve clearances, various seals, bolts, washers for things that need replacing, not to mention a new busbeywoo side stand. Thats all pretty simple, will just order appropriate parts from aprilia online stockists etc. The other stuff I need some advice on which brands/solutions are best... I have the permission from her upstairs to spend a little money ;)

1. Brake pads - suggestions?
2. Braided hoses all round - again suggestions? HEL? Cobra? What sort of front brake line setup works best?
3. I have stubby levers on my push bike and kinda like them... suggestions for ones for the Falco?
4. Havent decided on just a clutch slave seal or new unit... again suggestions... would prefer not to butcher the sprocket cover.
5. Chain and sprockets? Never done them before on any of my bikes and they're looking a bit tired.

Cosmetically I'm thinking of a dark tint double bubble and possibly a belly pan, and I know Skidmarx are probably my best bet but not 100% convinced with the belly pan just yet. There is nothing else cosmetically I want to do unless someone has some amazing suggestions that doesnt involve OZ wheels or a Mille swingarm!

Also the discs are original and are still within limits... is it worth replacing them also with all the other brake work, or leave them until they hit the limits?

I'm toying with the idea of sending my maxton rear shock off for regassing etc. etc. (following my slight incident a month or two ago when I let some of the gas escape!) and will probably upgrade it to have the remote adjustment reservoir added if possible. What about the front forks? They feel fine to me, but hey what do I know... as far as I recall the oil has never been changed and they are stock... suggestions here also.

Regarding caliper overhaul, this will just involve a bloody good clean and strip down as-per workshop manual... is it worth ordering appropriate seals etc. for this since it'll be out? If so a little advice on what I'd need/service kits available would also be grand :)

TIA guys... but bear in mind I do have a credit limit ;)

Aladinsaneuk · #2 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:49 pm

2. Braided hoses all round - again suggestions? HEL? Cobra? What sort of front brake line setup works best?

I used HEL - and go for the two line solution, not the T approach -

3. I have stubby levers on my push bike and kinda like them... suggestions for ones for the Falco?

Pazzo get good right ups

4. Havent decided on just a clutch slave seal or new unit... again suggestions... would prefer not to butcher the sprocket cover.

MPL for me - tuono sprocket cover is 10 quid to buy new.....

5. Chain and sprockets? Never done them before on any of my bikes and they're looking a bit tired.

you pay for what you get - so but a branded one! and while you are at it - consider a scottoiler.... i rate mine very highly

I will be doing the fork oil on my bike this winter....

rick · #3 Post by **rick** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:53 pm

Ah didnt realise the tuono cover was a straight replacement :) May opt for the MPL then, read good and bad about Oberon.

While I'm on the topic of clutch... what about the replacement jet? Worth replacing this also when I'm there?

Aladinsaneuk · #4 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:00 pm

lord yes

change that jet!!!

D-Rider · #5 Post by **D-Rider** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:18 pm

rick wrote:
1. Brake pads - suggestions?

I'm still running the standard Toshiba pads - my second set .

.... though I'll be changing over to the 4-pad callipers soon ......

rick wrote: 2. Braided hoses all round - again suggestions? HEL? Cobra? What sort of front brake line setup works best?

Cobra make Hell's brake lines ..... I've still got the original Freudenberg
lines but if chosing between Hell and Cobra I'd save my money and get the same things by buying Cobra

rick wrote: 3. I have stubby levers on my push bike and kinda like them... suggestions for ones for the Falco?

Again I've not fitted them - soon to fit radial master cylinders with the later model brembo levers - see how I get on before deciding whether new levers are worthwhile.

Pazzo, Titax, CRG etc all have their fans

rick wrote: 4. Havent decided on just a clutch slave seal or new unit... again suggestions... would prefer not to butcher the sprocket cover.

Seal is a couple of quid if you go for the one identified in the Technical section of this forum

Many of us have the MPL but there have been some reports of them leaking and not so easy to get diy repair kits - they like you to send it back for repair .... search AF1 forum for more info.

Oberon and Evoluzzione are the other choices - Evo give a very long warranty.

rick wrote: 5. Chain and sprockets? Never done them before on any of my bikes and they're looking a bit tired.

Yeah - get some decent ones and as Pete says, fit a scottoiler and they'll last much better.

rick wrote: Also the discs are original and are still within limits... is it worth replacing them also with all the other brake work, or leave them until they hit the limits?

Can't see much point in changing them if there's nothing wrong with them

rick wrote: I'm toying with the idea of sending my maxton rear shock off for regassing etc. etc. (following my slight incident a month or two ago when I let some of the gas escape!) and will probably upgrade it to have the remote adjustment reservoir added if possible. What about the front forks? They feel fine to me, but hey what do I know... as far as I recall the oil has never been changed and they are stock... suggestions here also.

Workshop manual states:

Fork oil: Change after the first 7500 km (4687 mi) and successively
every 22500 km (14000 mi):

Fork Seals: Change after the first 30000 km (18750 mi) and successively
every 22500 km (14000mi):

rick wrote: Regarding caliper overhaul, this will just involve a bloody good clean and strip down as-per workshop manual... is it worth ordering appropriate seals etc. for this since it'll be out? If so a little advice on what I'd need/service kits available would also be grand :)

Brembo will not sell service parts for their calipers due to product liability issues ..... unless you have a KTM as KTM accepted liability.
Fortunately we share brakes with some KTMs .... so find a KTM dealer.

Info in this thread https://www.ridersite.com/viewtopic.php?t=4896

dyzio · #6 Post by **dyzio** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:29 pm

1. Brake pads - suggestions?
Will be changing mine as well this winter, it'll be the OEM (I like these) or EBC HH (half the OEM price)

2. Braided hoses all round - again suggestions? HEL? Cobra? What sort of front brake line setup works best?
HEL - they to SS fittings as standard. As said Cobra makes lines for HEL. Again, go for 2 line race set up.

3. I have stubby levers on my push bike and kinda like them... suggestions for ones for the Falco?
Nope.

4. Havent decided on just a clutch slave seal or new unit... again suggestions... would prefer not to butcher the sprocket cover.
Oberon does not require a new cover. You can get an MPL and a Tuono/RSV cover. OR EVO - as said warranty - don't know about the cover though.

5. Chain and sprockets? Never done them before on any of my bikes and they're looking a bit tired.
Renthal steel sprockets (15 front) and Tsubaki Sigma O ring. Call B&C Express or ebay.

kiwi_rsvr · #7 Post by **kiwi_rsvr** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:50 am

For my 2p's worth ....

1. Brake pads - suggestions? - SBS Street Excel
2. Braided hoses all round - again suggestions? HEL? Cobra? What sort of front brake line setup works best? - Cobra
3. I have stubby levers on my push bike and kinda like them... suggestions for ones for the Falco? - There are a few go for the ones you like the best
4. Havent decided on just a clutch slave seal or new unit... again - Griff sells the Oberon unit so it cant be that bad
5. Chain and sprockets? Never done them before on any of my bikes and they're looking a bit tired. - Renthal SRS Chain & Renthal sprockets

#8 Post by **mangocrazy** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:28 pm

No point in going over most of the stuff, as people have made some excellent suggestions, but when you finally do decide to replace your discs I would REALLY REALLY recommend a set of PFM ductile iron rotors. The alternatives are OE or EBC, and PFM kick both of them into a cocked hat for feel and power. They're not any more expensive as far as I can see, either.

The only thing you will have to be aware of is choosing non-sintered (preferably organic) pads, as sintered pads will cause accelerated disc wear due to their high metal content. In particular I've found EBC HH to be a very aggressive pad for wear, even on stainless (i.e. OE Brembo) discs.

The other thing with ductile iron discs is that they go rusty when they get wet. The first application of the brakes clears that, and the non-swept area of the rotor has a treatment to inhibit rusting, but it bothers some people.

They also look well trick, and perform as well as they look. I love 'em...

dyzio · #9 Post by **dyzio** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:11 pm

mangocrazy wrote:I would REALLY REALLY recommend a set of PFM ductile iron rotors.

These ones? http://www.pfmbrakes.com/shop.php?man=1&mod=5

Price is ok and they look

Any feedback on these Sunstar's?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BN-RSV-TUONO-SHIV ... 4cefc27f69

Willopotomas · #10 Post by **Willopotomas** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:55 pm

those PFM's look nice. Me dad's got them on the K100 (which is still for sale..lol..)

D-Rider · #11 Post by **D-Rider** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:08 pm

I bought a pair of those Sunstars from ebay - at that price it would have been rude not to.
Consensus on AF1 is that they are significantly better than the Brembo discs (Aprilia seem to dual-source brembo and sunstar)

Sunstar has the "Braking" brand within their portfolio - so they are quality parts.

rick · #12 Post by **rick** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:08 pm

Some great replies cheers guys.

Just priced up everything and its come to over £600 and thats not including new levers

I'm sure I'll be posting some questions at some point... bleeding brakes using KZ method... valve clearances and fork oil... all good fun and it'll keep me busy over the dark winter months

I'll be sure to order stuff soon before VAT increases

Aladinsaneuk · #13 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:30 pm

judicious shopping via evil bay mate......

dyzio · #14 Post by **dyzio** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:05 am

D-Rider wrote:I bought a pair of those Sunstars from ebay - at that price it would have been rude not to.
Consensus on AF1 is that they are significantly better than the Brembo discs (Aprilia seem to dual-source brembo and sunstar)

Sunstar has the "Braking" brand within their portfolio - so they are quality parts.

Do they suffer from "dirty buttons" as well?

D-Rider · #15 Post by **D-Rider** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:46 am

dyzio wrote:
D-Rider wrote:I bought a pair of those Sunstars from ebay - at that price it would have been rude not to.
Consensus on AF1 is that they are significantly better than the Brembo discs (Aprilia seem to dual-source brembo and sunstar)

Sunstar has the "Braking" brand within their portfolio - so they are quality parts.
Do they suffer from "dirty buttons" as well?

Sat on the bench in my garage they don't yet seem to be suffering.
I assume all semi-floating discs will suffer the same issue - just basic maintenance to keep them clean (I cleaned the ones on my Brembo discs at the weekend).

The Sunstars do have an advantage though as they only have 6 bobbins per disc against 10 on the brembos - so less work to keep them clean.

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