Hi - I've just spent most of the weekend twatting about trying to fix a Scottoiler to my Falco (I still haven't quite got used to saying that yet) and was wondering how other forum members have approached it.
In the end I mounted the RMV horizontally in the battery compartment under the rider's seat, using the fancy angled bracket thingy that Scottoiler provide to replace the allen screw that normally holds the battery bracket down. There's just enough room for it there, but I was a bit worried about the RMV being horizontal - do they work OK like that?
The business end down by the sprocket was something of a pain. I tried to use the paddock stand bobbin mount to fix the shaped metal delivery bracket to, but gave up in the end and tie-wrapped the delivery tube to the underside of the swingarm (using the plastic sleeving they provide). It's all a bit imprecise for my liking.
Even the bit where you plumb it into the vacuum inlet gave me problems. The tee-piece was too big to push into the small vacuum hose on the inlet (I found this out after I'd cut the tubing, of course...). I had to do a frig with some of the delivery tubing; i.e. plug the tee-piece into two short pieces of delivery tubing, then push the small vacuum hose inside the other tubing.
I had problems with every part of the installation, and seriously wonder whether it will work. Anybody got any better ways to fix a Scottoiler to a Falco?
Scottoilers - where do you put yours?
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Your RMV is in the same place as mine - don't worry, it works fine there - horizontal is not a problem - the way it's designed takes care of that.
For my twin nozzles, I made a bracket to fix it to the swingarm - all very discreet.
Now I've fitted a Mille swingarm, I've had to make a different bracket.
Basically you wouldn't even know it's there.
One thing that is worthwhile if you put the RMV under the seat is a set of the quick release seat pins.
For my twin nozzles, I made a bracket to fix it to the swingarm - all very discreet.
Now I've fitted a Mille swingarm, I've had to make a different bracket.
Basically you wouldn't even know it's there.
One thing that is worthwhile if you put the RMV under the seat is a set of the quick release seat pins.
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Well...I fitted mine recently and although fitting of the vacuum hose was a pain and fixing the delivery tube properly took some time, it was a piece of cake. It is completely invisible as the tubing is routed on the inside of the swingarm and the container sits horizontally over the battery with no issues.
If your vacuum hoses don't leak air, it should be all right. And it can operate in horizontal position, however you'll need to top up more often (probably).
If your vacuum hoses don't leak air, it should be all right. And it can operate in horizontal position, however you'll need to top up more often (probably).
Mine is behind the frame spars on the left side of the bike under the tank. The engine heat keeps the oil at a fairly constant temp, so I don't have to faff around with seasonal settings.
Top left corner:
The vacuum comes off the throttle body spigot thingy:
Breather routing round the front of the Airkit plate:
Oil Dribble tube runs down into a Scottoiler twistlock fitting, then into the sprocket cover. The tube is held in place with an internal P-clip (you can see the button head screw that holds it in place) and the nozzle runs against the front sprocket inside.
This looks way neater than running it to the rear sprocket and also means I can take the front sprocket cover off as often as I like without having to keep buggering about re-aiming the nozzle each time it goes back on.
Top left corner:
The vacuum comes off the throttle body spigot thingy:
Breather routing round the front of the Airkit plate:
Oil Dribble tube runs down into a Scottoiler twistlock fitting, then into the sprocket cover. The tube is held in place with an internal P-clip (you can see the button head screw that holds it in place) and the nozzle runs against the front sprocket inside.
This looks way neater than running it to the rear sprocket and also means I can take the front sprocket cover off as often as I like without having to keep buggering about re-aiming the nozzle each time it goes back on.
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careful where you put the vacuum hose. I tapped into a line and my dealer thought that was part of my problem with the bike not running a few months ago. He repositioned it as per the Scott Oiler instructions onto a spigot coming out of an inlet track. That said, I'm sure I had it in the same position on my 1st Falco that ran 9000 miles without missing a beat.
careful where you put the vacuum hose. I tapped into a line and my dealer thought that was part of my problem with the bike not running a few months ago. He repositioned it as per the Scott Oiler instructions onto a spigot coming out of an inlet track. That said, I'm sure I had it in the same position on my 1st Falco that ran 9000 miles without missing a beat.
You can check my installation here.
http://www.martinpoll.dk/scot.htm
http://www.martinpoll.dk/scot.htm
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Thanks for all the feedback, chaps - it strikes me it would have been better to ask this question before I started fitting the Scottoiler rather than afterwards...
And Martin, your website installation page was very helpful. I had a quick look at that when I was losing the will to live yesterday evening.
I'm glad horizontal is OK, and I like Nooj's method of keeping it at a constant temp by being adjacent to the engine. The Scottoiler on my VFR was actually fixed to the radiator hose, which served the same purpose. It also meant I could top it up through one of the fairing vents. I was hoping I might have been able to do something similar on the Falco, but couldn't see a way.
The guys that fitted the delivery tubing behind the swingarm - how did you do that? Isn't it a bit cramped for space round there? I'm working on a cunning plan that involves some bracketry to hold the nozzle accurately where I want it.
And Martin, your website installation page was very helpful. I had a quick look at that when I was losing the will to live yesterday evening.
I'm glad horizontal is OK, and I like Nooj's method of keeping it at a constant temp by being adjacent to the engine. The Scottoiler on my VFR was actually fixed to the radiator hose, which served the same purpose. It also meant I could top it up through one of the fairing vents. I was hoping I might have been able to do something similar on the Falco, but couldn't see a way.
The guys that fitted the delivery tubing behind the swingarm - how did you do that? Isn't it a bit cramped for space round there? I'm working on a cunning plan that involves some bracketry to hold the nozzle accurately where I want it.
Don't think I have...yet. I'll try and take one this week.
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Hi all,
I am with Nooj on this, mine on a rebreather
Got my pipe in the front sprocket cover as well 
The £100 I saved can now go towards, many, many, other bling bits!!
Ur friendly lens guy.
I am with Nooj on this, mine on a rebreather
Got my pipe in the front sprocket cover as well The £100 I saved can now go towards, many, many, other bling bits!!
Ur friendly lens guy.
My warranty is the clear/smoked tail lights around the corner!!
Tried that and my breather hose got chewed up and blocked by my front sprocket causing oil to piss out all over the A34 and the clutch to slip. Not good in the tipping down rain in morning rush hour on the way to Wigan for a mate's funeral 
So that's tucked neatly out of harm's way now and the oiler does the job properly.
I didn't spend £100 or what ever either, it was £30 used from e-bay and up until we ran out it got filled with our old sump oil which is free
So that's tucked neatly out of harm's way now and the oiler does the job properly.
I didn't spend £100 or what ever either, it was £30 used from e-bay and up until we ran out it got filled with our old sump oil which is free
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How much oil does the breather actually emit? If it was a significant amount, then you'd need to top the oil up regularly (which I don't believe many Falco owners need to).Gio wrote:Being on a rebreather system it doesn't need a scottoiler the oil breather pipe dumps it onto the front sprocket.
Saves about £100 lol
If it's not a significant amount the chain isn't getting lubricated properly. And even if it is getting lubed, the oil is very thin (having previously been vapourised) and will fling off the chain in no time.
I'd much rather go with a positive lubrication system like the Scottoiler rather than the 'wing and a prayer' rebreather approach.
Yep - I agree with that Mango - I'd not rely on a breather and sump oil! If it's not dumping too much oil and making a hell of a mess it'll probably be under-oiling it. You have no control.
The other thing is it just drips oil on to the top of the chain (like the front sprocket installation does). This is not optimal and looks no neater than a good installation for the rear sprocket.
If you drip oil on the top, the first time the chain rotates around the sprocket, it gets flung off - making a mess and doing little to lube the chain and sprocket.
Using the Scottoiler nozzles to deliver oil onto the rear sprocket is how it should be done. As it rotates, the oil gets pushed outwards, through the sprocket/chain interface and right through the chain .... it lubricates properly the things that need to be lubricated. Also, because the oil is going where it is needed, you don't need huge amounts of it - so the oil feed is minimised.
As a side effect, it keeps your sprocket clean.
OK it costs a bit of money - but even brand new, nothing like the £100 suggested earlier in the thread.
I regard it as an investment as I'll be needing far fewer chains over the bike's life.
BTW I may still have the bracket I made to mount mine on the Falco swingarm - with it fitted you'd not really notice it was there ..... I'll have a look for it ....
The other thing is it just drips oil on to the top of the chain (like the front sprocket installation does). This is not optimal and looks no neater than a good installation for the rear sprocket.
If you drip oil on the top, the first time the chain rotates around the sprocket, it gets flung off - making a mess and doing little to lube the chain and sprocket.
Using the Scottoiler nozzles to deliver oil onto the rear sprocket is how it should be done. As it rotates, the oil gets pushed outwards, through the sprocket/chain interface and right through the chain .... it lubricates properly the things that need to be lubricated. Also, because the oil is going where it is needed, you don't need huge amounts of it - so the oil feed is minimised.
As a side effect, it keeps your sprocket clean.
OK it costs a bit of money - but even brand new, nothing like the £100 suggested earlier in the thread.
I regard it as an investment as I'll be needing far fewer chains over the bike's life.
BTW I may still have the bracket I made to mount mine on the Falco swingarm - with it fitted you'd not really notice it was there ..... I'll have a look for it ....
