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Thoughts on speeding convictions.

#1 Post by HowardQ » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:20 pm

Warning this may be a lengthy rant.

A few comments about our local Chief Police Constable here in South Yorkshire, Med Hughes, who you may have heard of.
He was until recently the A.C.P.O. spokesman for Road and Traffic Policing (Speed Cameras).
He was banned from driving for 6 weeks yesterday, for doing 90 in a 60 limit, whilst on holiday in North Wales. He does have two previous “stickers” on his licence.
Anyway it’s nice to see his old mate Richard treats all speeders the same. :smt038
He had two previous dates since September, when he should have appeared before the Court, but both had to be postponed. Presumably because he wanted to make a personal appearance but wasn’t actually available on that day. I assume if he did want to make a personal appearance at Court, they sent him the standard letter saying that if he decided not just to reply by post saying he was guilty, he would incur the wrath of the court and be liable to a much higher fine, for wasting their time.
It’s nice to know that all people are treated equally. :smt038
Now he will be banned over the Christmas period, probably whilst he is off on some extended holiday.
Our local radio station contacted him and asked who would be paying for the driver, who will now be picking him up every day for work. He refused to reply, and said this type of request must be put through his office. They rang his office and were told that they did not have this information, and the BBC would have to contact Med Hughes himself. So I think we can guess that he won’t be paying.
It’s nice to know that all people are treated equally. :smt038
I work for Rotherham Council, and we have a van shared by lots of people for moving IT equipment about. Recently we received a NIP for somebody speeding at 40 mph in a 30 limit in our van. Our initial reply was that we were not sure who was using it at that time, we got a nasty letter back stating that for company vehicles, there was a responsibility for the company to maintain accurate logs of use so anybody caught this way could be prosecuted, if the company did not do this the Chief Executive (or other head officer) would have to accept the responsibility and the fine etc..
Suppose this is fair, as it means that any company car drivers or van drivers etc. will be fined like us private motorists/bikers and are not allowed to get away with things.
It’s nice to know that all people are treated equally. :smt038
A South Yorkshire Police officer was recently caught speeding and a NIP was issued, Med Hughes explained that there was no possible way that he could identify his officer from the photo supplied, so nobody could be nicked.
It’s nice to know that all people are treated equally. :smt038
Strangely he did not seem to get the letter about the Chief Officer being held responsible and getting the points etc., if he did he obviously ignored it.
It’s nice to know that all people are treated equally. :smt038
A little later, in an unusual moment of candour, he told the media, that his officer could not be named as it would be extremely embarrassing for him/her.
Er, not really if the person could in no way be identified.
It’s nice live in a country where all people are treated equally, and CPOs occasionally speak honestly. :smt038
In another recent incident, another police officer was nicked for doing 50 in a 40 zone through a camera. There was no prosecution as he was attending an emergency. The local press questioned why he had not got the Blues and Twos on, Med Hughes explained that most of his officers would not put them on in this sort of emergency unless they started to get stuck in traffic, in this case, it was an emergency, and the excess speed was justified.
The local press managed to get hold of some CCTV film of the officer, minutes after he had gone through the camera, in a local take away a few hundred metres past the camera. He went in and came back out of the takeaway a couple of mins later with 4 or 5 bags of nosh that had obviously been pre ordered. He got back in his (probably) illegally parked car, and went back down the road in the opposite way to which he came. This was obviously an emergency, as how can our local South Yorkshire Force be expected to serve it’s people if they are all suffering from malnutrition. The press took this up further with Med, but nothing changed.
It’s nice to know that all people are treated equally. :smt038
It turns out that 24 other police officers have recently been caught speeding, but all of these could not be identified as the police don’t keep such records of vehicle use.
It’s nice live in a country where all people are treated equally, and obviously shows that the police have learnt from their earlier failures to provide this information.If you do not want to get nicked for speeding, break the law again by refusing to give the information and get away with it. :smt038
And on a final note - not certain how many times exactly, but Med Hughes’ driver has been nicked at least once or twice for speeding, (With Med himself in the back seat!). This was, on one occasion, for doing 90 plus on a motorway, whilst he was late for an appointment, (the driver obviously). We have to assume that Med did not notice that his driver was travelling 20 odd miles per hour faster than all the other cars on the M1 at the time, or obviously he would have had to arrest his driver on the spot, then again it may just have been him who was late for a meeting and he had instucted his driver to get his foot down, so it was obviously the fault of the........................er......................... :smt017 :smt017 :smt017 :smt017 :smt017.................. er..... oh yes ....his driver .
It’s nice to know that all people are treated equally. :smt038
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#2 Post by BikerGran » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:11 pm

It's plainly ridiculous to say that 'the officer couldn't be identified' because the police DO keep logs of who was driving which vehicle at the time.

It is true that police attending emergencies don't always have the blue and twoes on, though clearly in that particular case that was irrelevant.

And as for a six week ban - bet it would have been more than that for one of us!
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#3 Post by Samray » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:14 pm

The job is so political these days I guess the same qualifications apply as to politicians, ie primarily a complete lack of morals combined with an ego the size of Everest. :smt012

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#4 Post by Aladinsaneuk » Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:02 pm

i would say if, but i mean when - i will plead guilty and ask for this case and others to be considered


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#5 Post by Gio » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:42 pm

Shoot the b'stards, I really loathe bent coppers.

Maybe they should have a special "Question Time" and ask those bent chief constables to be the panel.

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#6 Post by sidestand » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:36 pm

Wasn't it in a George Orwell book that it was said
"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" ?
Funnily enough, that applied to the pigs as well !...........................how prophetic :smt002

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#7 Post by lazarus » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:01 pm

BikerGran wrote:It's plainly ridiculous to say that 'the officer couldn't be identified' because the police DO keep logs of who was driving which vehicle at the time.
As I understand it, there were two oficers in the cars at the time (when did ytou last see plod doing anything on his own? H & S of course) and it was the 2 officers who couldnt remeber which one of them was driving at the time. OK but it doesnt sit well with the refusal of the force to release the speed camera piccies on the basis that the officers concerned might be identified.

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#8 Post by HowardQ » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:49 pm

The main issue here is simply that other people are NOT given the option of saying they do not know who was driving, genuine or not! They either have to provide the name or alternatively that of the manager responsible for the vehicle, ultimately the Chief Exec. has to take the hit, (step forward Med Hughes again in this case). These rules are applied by South Yorkshire Safety Camera Partnership and SY Police, as I stated originally. I work for Rotherham MBC and we are part of the Safety Camera Partnership, but we were given the ultimatum to come up with the name of the driver or the manager responsible. When we told them it could be a number of different managers as lots of people shared the one van, we were just told by letter that it was our responsibility to keep this driving records and ultimately the Chief Exec would have to be held responsible if staff failed to do this. It seems the other partner in this scheme just chose to ignore the NIP and the prosecutions were simply filed.
As far as I am concerned this is totally bent, all the lot should have been taken by Med himself in this instance, and with that lot plus his own collection of points, he would probably be locked up in his own nick by now, and banned from driving for life, (then he would have had safer roads).
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#9 Post by Samray » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:38 pm

His own nick?......fekk orf.....let the general prison population at him.....and with Brunstrum in the next cell.


*Edit*
Came across this clip of the pair of em out on patrol together. :smt002
evenin all

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