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#1 Post by TC » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:02 pm

Reading through the post about his sons experience and the general discussion that has followed about how times have changed, it reminded me of an article I wrote for someone ages ago which has remained on my computer to be pulled out and used again one day :smt009 :smt017 and this seemed to be appropriate.

Maybe some of the older (or should I say more experienced) members :smt002 might understand what I am saying, maybe the younger or less experienced members may think that I am just a boring old f@rt, living in the past.

I certainly think despite the lack of technology available now, we still had more fun 20 years or so ago, and in some ways, bikes were probably more fun because we could push them to the limit of the capability, and we could repair them ourselves.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy the read, I hope that you can find sympathy or something like that with what I am putting over :smt002

How Times Have Changed!

A few months back I was chewing the fat one evening with a couple of lifelong biking buddies and we started to reminisce about the “Good old days” and how much better motorcycling seemed to be then than it is now, more to the point it got us thinking about how times have changed.

Now don’t get me wrong, I don’t consider myself old, (well not that old anyway) but I started riding in the early seventies with what was then a state of the art Yamaha FS1E 49cc moped (anyone remember the Fantic’s or Gilera’s?) which was unrestricted and could on a good day downhill with the wind in your favour do 55 flat out, although to be fair the bike was about 5 years old and it had about 10 previous owners before it came into my possession.

When I first started riding, there was no such thing as CBT, back then you applied for your provisional licence, picked out the bike you wanted or could afford, the dealer then handed over the keys and said something like “see you soon”. This always struck me as a strange comment, but they knew that we would drop it sooner or later and would end up returning to have it repaired, but being poor and unable to afford repair bills we very quickly learnt from our mistakes. There was the option of taking the RAC/ACU course, but training was something only the cissies did, not us hardened bikers with our fantastic fifties.

At 17 I moved on to my first “big bike” the awesome Honda CD175, (in those days, as our older readers will remember, we could ride up to 250 on ‘L’ plates) no not the Benly, but the original with the fully enclosed chain case and the speedo that was built into the headlamp nacelle. Those who had money went for the Honda CB175 which had luxuries such as an electric start and rev counter, but the old CD was a good solid reliable workhorse for me to learn my early road craft on.

I ran that bike into the ground and passed my test on it, which was then a 5 minute ride around the block with the examiner standing on the street corner, and provided you did everything right when you were within his view, you passed. Having passed my test I then moved onto bigger and better things, the Suzuki GT380 Triple which at the time was a state of the art bike and sat nicely alongside the GT550, GT750 Kettle and GT500 Twin. Blimey what a mistake that was! Middle cylinder was forever seizing, electrics were very dodgy and ground clearance was OK if you liked sparks flying out from the bottom set of exhausts every time you cornered.

Within 12 months I was growing tired of 2 strokes and then I found the joys of big 4 stroke multi cylinder motorcycling in the shape of the Honda CB500/4 (well it was big at the time). This to me was proper motorcycling and from that point on I never looked back and went on to own a multitude of multi cylinder Japanese 4’s which continues right up to the current day with my Blackbird.

Now the reason I mention all this nostalgia for the old days, is that in their day these bikes were the dogs danglies and more to the point, some of the things we did on these bikes defy description. Remember frames were super flexible, tyres were skinny and made of 95% nylon (or so it appeared) and yet we used to hoon around on these things like the top racers of the day.

If you dared to mention to anyone with more than 12 months riding experience that you might know more than them, you were either liable to get a lynching or you would simply be ignored, so you looked, listened and learnt until you eventually became accepted into the biking community.

You learnt to fix your own bike, it was a case of having to as most of us couldn’t afford to buy genuine parts, and bolt on extra’s such as huggers or alarms were unheard of. It was amazing what you could fix with a 10mm ring spanner, an adjustable and a screwdriver.

How things have changed. Today’s bikes are far superior in many ways to the ones I grew up with (and to a degree I am probably looking too much through rose tinted glasses), but I do feel that we as motorcyclists have lost a certain something that was ever present in the old days, although I can’t quite put my finger on it. I know that the roads these days are much busier, training and testing requirements are now far more stringent (which is a good thing in my opinion), enforcement of traffic laws is far heavier than it was in my youth, but I am of the get the feeling that we had far more fun back in the 70’s and 80’s than perhaps we are able to do now!

Reading this you are probably thinking that I no longer enjoy riding, far from it, I still enjoy my motorcycling immensely, but in many ways I do feel fortunate that I grew up in an era when proper fun could be had on a bike rather than being all pose and talk that we seem to get today.

As I say, how times have changed!

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#2 Post by Trumpeteer » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:24 pm

Blimey TC I could have written that...bet yer CD175 was blue?
My mates Gilera was faster than my Fizzy (when his Gilera started! We were all just learning about mechanics and when we removed his spark plug one day to discover he had no compression, he said he would go into town and get a can...bless)


Trying to remember the make of a mates moped......ahh Kriedler...that had the record for the land speed record for 49cc..
that was a bit nippy.

At least we could all whoop a SS50 :smt003

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#3 Post by Kwackerz » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:18 pm

Im jealous! I was leaving school in the late 80's

All we had were what you managed not to break long enough for our lot to get their hands on it plus Crunchies, Tomos mopeds, RD's AR's, KMX's TZR's and the like. A mate had a FS1e. wrecked it after a few months. Theyre worth a mint now!

Some were just on the edge of not being able to fix without a spanner monkey's help!

Me? I joined the Army when I left school and had to plump for a Car :smt013

I did have a CD200 benly when I was a kid, could I heck as like ride it on the road though :smt009
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#4 Post by TC » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:43 pm

Trumpeteer wrote:Blimey TC I could have written that...bet yer CD175 was blue?
Sorry, I had a red one, it hid the rust better than the blue ones :smt002

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#5 Post by Gio » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:26 pm

Ah yes the things you miss, like stopping every 100 miles to clean out the drum brakes, the roll of wire you carried to replace the wiring that had turned into a sponge when it rained.

Gloworm headlights that were worse than modern side lights.

TBO any trip over 50 miles was an expedition.

Well you can keep it.

Anyway shouldn't this be written by an 80 year old?

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#6 Post by Trumpeteer » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:29 pm

But you didnt have to pick them up off the ground so often eh Gio?

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#7 Post by Gio » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:41 pm

Trumpeteer wrote:But you didnt have to pick them up off the ground so often eh Gio?
Yeah just as much, tyres didn't grip so well, spesh in the snow.

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#8 Post by BikerGran » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:52 pm

Think I know where you're coming from TC, even tho I am a comparatively recent convert to bikes (and now trikes of course).

But I'm not sure you're right. There's another forum I belong to where we get a lot of new young riders on 125s or on scooters and aspiring to 125s. When they get together in a thread and start on about their bikes and how fast they go and the fun they're having.... well, it could be you in your youth!

Saw a bunch of them on my way home today, one on a trailie style bike, one on a race-rep 125, and one on a scotter - they were out for a ride on their marvellous machines and they were having fun! Made me smile.... :smt001
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#9 Post by Gio » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:58 pm

BikerGran wrote:Think I know where you're coming from TC, even tho I am a comparatively recent convert to bikes (and now trikes of course).

But I'm not sure you're right. There's another forum I belong to where we get a lot of new young riders on 125s or on scooters and aspiring to 125s. When they get together in a thread and start on about their bikes and how fast they go and the fun they're having.... well, it could be you in your youth!

Saw a bunch of them on my way home today, one on a trailie style bike, one on a race-rep 125, and one on a scotter - they were out for a ride on their marvellous machines and they were having fun! Made me smile.... :smt001
Sounds like they weren't in the "lets carve up granny" mode :smt002

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#10 Post by TC » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:31 pm

BikerGran wrote:Think I know where you're coming from TC, even tho I am a comparatively recent convert to bikes (and now trikes of course).

But I'm not sure you're right. There's another forum I belong to where we get a lot of new young riders on 125s or on scooters and aspiring to 125s. When they get together in a thread and start on about their bikes and how fast they go and the fun they're having.... well, it could be you in your youth!

Saw a bunch of them on my way home today, one on a trailie style bike, one on a race-rep 125, and one on a scotter - they were out for a ride on their marvellous machines and they were having fun! Made me smile.... :smt001
I did say that it maybe that I am looking through rose tinted glasses, but that having been said I do think the attitude of young riders in our youth were different to todays.

I used to get 16 year old CBT students who had a massive chip on their shoulder, thought that the world owed them a living, wanted mum and dad to buy everything, and if they break it, so what? Its only money :smt017 .

My daughter will be 16 in September and already she is adopting this similar attitude, so I am starting to think is it me or are youngsters into it just as a means of having their own transport, whereas in our day we did it for the enjoyment , transportation and fun? :smt009 .

Maybe it is just a sign of me getting old, or as Gio pointed out, written by an 80 year old who just happens to look late (very late :smt010 ) 40's :smt017 :smt009

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#11 Post by Gio » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:43 pm

TC wrote:My daughter will be 16 in September and already she is adopting this similar attitude, so I am starting to think is it me or are youngsters into it just as a means of having their own transport, whereas in our day we did it for the enjoyment , transportation and fun? :smt009 .

Maybe it is just a sign of me getting old, or as Gio pointed out, written by an 80 year old who just happens to look late (very late :smt010 ) 40's :smt017 :smt009
Oh dear, my daughters already 16, 17 in Feb. I've had to get quite tough with her on her "I want" front.

BTW the 80 bit was a funny as I'd used it somewhere else :smt005

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#12 Post by TC » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:04 pm

Gio wrote:
BTW the 80 bit was a funny as I'd used it somewhere else :smt005
I know, but there was probably an element of fact as I sometimes feel like an 80 something :smt009

I am glad its not only me who is having to get or has had to get tough on the "I want " Syndrome.

All I need now is for someone to let me into the secret of how to get teenagers to clear their bedrooms, clean up after themselves, or find someone who can teach me how to be fluent in Neanderthal or basic grunt so that me and the wife can communicate with her in her natural tongue? :smt017

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#13 Post by HowardQ » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:53 pm

Sorry TC but I tend to agree slightly more with Gio, from my memories.
I started in the 1960s and have left out some short term bikes from the list below, these were the ones that I kept for a while -

Capri 70cc Scooter !! Bought to go to school on and get through my test, buit never got around to taking one.
Velocette MAC 350 single, with small sidecar. Only bought because could ride a combo with L plates, (left school by now and couldn't live with going so slowly on above, and mates laughing at me), took test with it and converted to solo same day!
BSA Star Twin 500 I thought it was quick then, but fell apart quicker! Not as good as it looked, bit of a nail.
Velocette Venom 500 single.
Classic Brit single, great bike and pretty reliable.
Matchless G12CSR 650 sports twin. (1960) Fully converted it to Café Racer, very quick, absolutely loved it and quite rare, was very reliable but unfortunately had a "plastic" crank and broke two of them. (see below).
Matchless G12CSR Cafe Racer special with Norton Dominator 99 – 600 twin engine. (1960)
Spent ages rebuilding when I couldn’t source another crank for above, and couldn't find a Bonnie engine that I could afford, hand built conversion, even built my own unique wiring loom and designed all new engine mounting plates, cut from Duralamin to fit.
Norton Dominator 650 SS (Paul Dunstall Conversion - Café Racer). (1965?)
Gorgeous bike the absolute dogs bollocks at that time, but couldn’t really afford to run this and a car, sadly I chose to keep the car. :smt009 :smt022
Triumph Tiger 110 – 650 Twin. (1959)
Original pre unit construction motor, bought as a rebuild project, when back on road, decided it would be great to use as transport to work when I worked three shifts. Discovered how nice it was to ride a bike home in the dark when 6 volt electrics regularly failed. Also reminded me how many bits fell off old Brit bikes when you rode them, no fun looking for a rocker inspection cover, which had just departed, when coming home in the dark at 6am off a night shift.
Otherwise great fun.

Suzuki T350 Twin. (1972)
Decided if I was going to use a bike for work I’d try a Jap one with good 12v electrics.
First time on a Jap 2 stroke, dead reliable. Loved it, handling was 70s Jap, but I didn't care.

Suzuki GT380 Triple. (1973)
As above with extra cylinder, but no faster, loved it at that time.
Kawasaki KH250 Triple (1973?)
Bought as project, rebuilt then sold on fairly quickly, was quicker than I thought it would be.
Kawasaki KH350 Triple (1973?)
Again bought project, as above, seemed to enjoy rebuilding bikes more than riding them at that time, but did keep it for quite a while, thought it was really quick at the time.
Matchless 350 single.
Another rebuild, seemed like a good idea at the time – it wasn’t.
AJS 7R 350 OHC single, ex Tom Kirby Race bike. Bought in a box as a project, should never have opened the box! Realised it would cost me an arm and a leg to rebuild, (but may just have been worth it, if I'd had the money to do it well), sold on at a serious loss.
Honda VFR750 (1989) Really good do everything well bike.
Bought as cosmetic damaged and rebuilt, ran for a year or so.
Honda CB Sevenfifty Retro 750/4 (1992)
Started me back on bikes yet again after a few years off, perfect bike for a rusty old ‘un like me.
Looked great and loved it. Nice shiny real bike and handled reasonably well too for what I thought I needed.


Honda CBR1000F (1995)
Swapped above for this, very fast, very comfortable, very reliable, still have.

Aprilia Falco SL1000 (2001)
Best bike I've ever had, current, faster and just as reliable as above. Strangely just as comfortable for me.

In the early days, if a group of us went out for a run to the coast, it always took ages, as one of us was always stopped at the side of the road.
Loved the character of the old bikes, but reliability, (electrics and the bits that dropped off in particular), was seriously poor.
Jap bikes moved us on massively, and could be used much more.
Were fun to ride and reliable as go to work transport.
As power went up frame strength didn't and you had to learn weave with them!
If we are honest, modern bike are probably too fast, but you can go anywhere on them, pass anything on four wheels and trust them to be reliable.
The Falco is the best bike I've ever had, but when I look back with rose tinted glasses the Matchless 650 CSR and the Paul Dunstall Norton 650SS were really special at that time. I had the body then to lay flat on the tank with clip ons right down as low as they would go, sweptback racing exhaust pipes meant rearset footrests, no hanging off in those days, just hung my knee out a bit like my Brit hero John Cooper!
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#14 Post by Viking » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:23 am

I think we may be on to something here. There seems to be more and more cars on the roads every year, all driven by illiterate muppets with ADHD or at least some form of retardation... :smt019

As for bikes, I can't top HowardQ's list, as the Falco is only the 4th bike I've ever owned.

CB250N - the "Super Nightmare". It would not die, no matter how much I abused it.

CBX750 - 10 years, 130,000km. Plenty of fun. (And the "father" to Howard's CB750)

Mutant CBX750 streetfighter - more Suzuki than Honda (Harris frame & tank anyone? :smt001) that got converted to EFI. More fun than you can imagine.

SL1000R Falco - beauty and the beast, all in one lovely package.

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#15 Post by Trumpeteer » Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:43 am

Hmm...agree about the breaking down bit, but at 17 it made it all the more fun. We wernt in a rush to be anywhere, and normally we had the knowledge/tools and believe it or not, towrope to get moving again.

And perhaps to lack of traffic made it all a bit more rosy.

Certainly the advent of Sunday shopping has spoilt the typical Sunday rides we would enjoy :smt009

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