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I went to a church service today

#1 Post by Kwackerz » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:11 pm

A small affair in the village to remember the liberation of the Falklands Isles.

A small contingent from our barracks went down and sat through it, 25 of us, various ranks, all volunteers.
The service had been 'advertised' in the parish, but there was only one non-military person there. The Vicar.

As I sat there I contemplated the 4 soldiers who'd died from my Corps, on a bleak and lonely hill on an Island in the South Atlantic. 25 years later, only the military remembered in our little bit of England. Not even the 'churchy' people that we saw as we marched thru the vilage turned up.

:smt009 Why?
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#2 Post by snapdragon » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:18 pm

no answer to that one K - the churchy people in my village don't (or didn't when the units were'live') accept the military as real people - we were treated like gypsies (no offence to that community but know how they're treated)

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#3 Post by Kwackerz » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:23 pm

Reckon so. Snappy.

Our 'lot' are quite good to us, they always love the Regiment when we do things in the Village. It's never shown itself before, but that service genuinely shocked me. we've a Sally Army, Methodists, Baptists, C Of E.. every make and model of God Squad you could ever wish for, a huge ex military community as well, our remembrance parades are stuff of legends, but today you could see and hear the tumbleweed roll by.

It saddened me almost to the point of sniffles.

Maybe there was a whist drive on down at the Legion, or something decent on daytime TV?
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#4 Post by Pierre » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:45 pm

Rather buy you a pint to be honest. Been to church 4 times in a year with 1 marrage and 3 funerals and the time before that was a funeral so chances of me attending by choice are slim :smt002

I bet either something was said last sunday or will be the coming sunday though. I guess wednesday is a slow church day, even for godbotherers

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#5 Post by Gio » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:15 pm

Battles for Wireless ridge and Moody Brook wasn't it?

Started as a firefight on 12th at Wireless Ridge if I remember right.

My Ex B-I-L was there (Falklands).

Tomorrow is the 25th anniversary of the end of it I believe.

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#6 Post by woody » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:33 pm

I see Simon Weston wandering around the shops near me, and a mate of mine was in the battle for Goosegreen, and my mate in work 'uncle Albert' was on that boat that had the helicopter shed hit.......



When the sheffeild was hit I remember all the sailors rammed up the blunt end of the boat (which was burning) you could clearly hear them all singing 'Always Look At The Bright Side Of Life'. They say an army marches on its stomach but the british forces march on its humour.....


And as it happens, I have a little joke book that was printed by the squaddies at the time.......... all pertinent to the war/skirmish/liberation etc etc



Kuakers, if you are interested in seeing it, pm me your adress and I will send it to you..I want it back tho!!

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#7 Post by Falcoholic » Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:10 am

And I bet all the churchy type folk really do consider themselves Christians too. :smt012

They know as much about Christianity as my arris does about snipe shooting :smt013

Big up for the Falklands vets I say. Took a lot of big cahoonas to charge up a well defended hill top or two and oust the Argies.

And RIP all those who paid the ultimate price.
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#8 Post by BikerGran » Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:10 pm

Can't say I went to any memorial do for the Falklands but I was working.

I used to be a churchy type - I'm still a Christian but i do it on my own after getting very disillusioned with all the churches in town a few years ago. I represented my church on the local ecumenical commitee "Churches Together in Wareham" - all the local churches getting together to do things like special services together etc. Then some folks near where Rose lived had a fire and other residents of the block of flats suffered smoke and water damage. A young couple with a 3 yr old and a 6 week old baby had to move out and EVERYTHING they owned was pretty much useless - they had no clothes, beds, cooking equipment, you name it - tho the council did move them to another house which didn't even have carpet on the floors they were sleeping on!. So I phoned up people from the various churches to ask for stuff for them.

I got various reactions from "I'll put it to the next committee meeting" to "it's probably best to leave it to the authorities", apart from a few people known to me personally who came across with a load of stuff for them - but even in my own church it was only the folks I knew.

That was pretty much the end of church-going for me, all the services in the world are worth nothing if you can't help someone out when they need it. And I would count going to a memorial service as helping out since it would mean so much to those who've lost people or who were there.

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
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#9 Post by Kwackerz » Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:29 pm

BikerGran wrote:
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
Rudyard Kipling :smt001

It's been a quite hard week at work, None of us really have had time to think apart from the time we were in the Church. There was a quick doffing of the old cap so to speak on the anniversary of the Surrender but then back into it with what we're doing at work. It was very sad that we couldnt do something more to remember our lads that we lost in the R.E. but now the week has ended Ive got time to reflect, so I thought i'd post this up for those 4 lads we lost. You'll have to forgive me the eccentricity..

Another Kipling poem
When the Waters were dried an' the Earth did appear,
("It's all one," says the Sapper),
The Lord He created the Engineer,
Her Majesty's Royal Engineer,
With the rank and pay of a Sapper!

When the Flood come along for an extra monsoon,
'Twas Noah constructed the first pontoon
To the plans of Her Majesty's, etc.

But after fatigue in the wet an' the sun,
Old Noah got drunk, which he wouldn't ha' done
If he'd trained with, etc.

When the Tower o' Babel had mixed up men's bat,
Some clever civilian was managing that,
An' none of, etc.

When the Jews had a fight at the foot of a hill,
Young Joshua ordered the sun to stand still,
For he was a Captain of Engineers, etc.

When the Children of Israel made bricks without straw,
They were learnin' the regular work of our Corps,
The work of, etc.

For ever since then, if a war they would wage,
Behold us a-shinin' on history's page --
First page for, etc.

We lay down their sidings an' help 'em entrain,
An' we sweep up their mess through the bloomin' campaign,
In the style of, etc.

They send us in front with a fuse an' a mine
To blow up the gates that are rushed by the Line,
But bent by, etc.

They send us behind with a pick an' a spade,
To dig for the guns of a bullock-brigade
Which has asked for, etc.

We work under escort in trousers and shirt,
An' the heathen they plug us tail-up in the dirt,
Annoying, etc.

We blast out the rock an' we shovel the mud,
We make 'em good roads an' -- they roll down the khud,
Reporting, etc.

We make 'em their bridges, their wells, an' their huts,
An' the telegraph-wire the enemy cuts,
An' it's blamed on, etc.

An' when we return, an' from war we would cease,
They grudge us adornin' the billets of peace,
Which are kept for, etc.

We build 'em nice barracks -- they swear they are bad,
That our Colonels are Methodist, married or mad,
Insultin', etc.

They haven't no manners nor gratitude too,
For the more that we help 'em, the less will they do,
But mock at, etc.

Now the Line's but a man with a gun in his hand,
An' Cavalry's only what horses can stand,
When helped by, etc.

Artillery moves by the leave o' the ground,
But we are the men that do something all round,
For we are, etc.

I have stated it plain, an' my argument's thus
("It's all one," says the Sapper),
There's only one Corps which is perfect -- that's us;
An' they call us Her Majesty's Engineers,
Her Majesty's Royal Engineers,
With the rank and pay of a Sapper!

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#10 Post by Samray » Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:50 pm

Sentimental tosh :smt002
My bit of Kipling dates from the Boer war and I guess the sentiments still mostly stand today.
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#11 Post by Myrkk » Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:37 pm

Alot of people will be paying their respects without going to church Kwakerz........ I couldn't sit in a church, sing and pray to a God I don't believe in without feeling like a complete hypocrit and therefor demeaning the reason everyone was there in the first place.

Personally I'd rather know someone was thinking about the sacrifices made for a few moments several times a year and sending a thought to the people affected rather than see someone in a church once a year 'cause it is the PC thing to do.

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#12 Post by lazarus » Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:19 pm

One issue is that we have other remembrance days such as Nov 11th, but I guess that the main issue is that our forces are professional. Like the bin men, they are employed to do a job and we dont feel any more involved with them than that would imply. Even when the cause was something that almost everyone supported at the time, like the Falklands. Dont hold your breath for any remembrance celebration of Iraq.

This may well sound horrible Kwaks and I'm not saying this is how it ought to be, but I think its the reality. The general public were involved in WW 1 and 2 but not since then.

And of course it doesnt help that we are an ex Christian society and a not very patriotic one either.
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#13 Post by paddyz1 » Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:20 pm

My brother in law was at the Falklands. He went to a reunion too.
He was in the Scots Guards

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#14 Post by Myrkk » Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:38 pm

lazarus wrote:
And of course it doesnt help that we are an ex Christian society and a not very patriotic one either.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this.

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#15 Post by woody » Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:08 pm

Nor me........

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