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#46 Post by **mangocrazy** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:43 am

wayofthedarkhand wrote:What is this talk about cutting a wire to de-restrict them? Surely only US and French models would have ever been restricted not UK ones.

In 99.9% of cases that's done at the first service. If not, it's the work of ten seconds or so. Nothing to be the slightest bit concerned about.

And another vote here for 'I'll never sell my Falco'...

D-Rider · #47 Post by **D-Rider** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:14 am

wayofthedarkhand wrote:
Just need to find a good one. Preferably black (it looks the fastest colour),

You really don't want to believe all the crap that Alad tells you.
Besides, the "Bronze", "Flamingo Red" and "Oasis Green" Falcos are actually more black than the Black Crow with it's shiny silver frame.

wayofthedarkhand wrote: What is this talk about cutting a wire to de-restrict them? Surely only US and French models would have ever been restricted not UK ones.

Yes, every Falco came from the factory in restricted form (maybe that's where the crap you sometimes read in the press of the Falco having a detuned Mille engine came from).
As Mango says most would have been derestricted at PDI or first service but some slipped through.
There were different sized restrictor plates in the airbox for different markets. Ours had a bigger hole than the USA one.

wayofthedarkhand · #48 Post by **wayofthedarkhand** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:31 am

Were they limited to 88BHP or something silly like that?

Can anyone tell me about chips? Why do people replace the chips when changing exhausts etc.. doesn't something like TuneBoy/Tune ECU etc.. exist to create and upload custom maps? Or failing that can't a guy with a dyno create a map for you?

D-Rider · #49 Post by **D-Rider** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:51 am

A number of us have PowerCommanders which are great for playing about and can also be used with a custom map to get the fuelling spot-on (at least spot-on for the conditions that were present on the day the map was made ... but close anyway).

Where the Power Commanders have a bit of a shortcoming is that the ones compatible with the Falco cannot adjust the ignition timing map.
A number of the chips out there do have enhanced ignition maps - for example the FP1413, Gabro's chips and Renegade chips (if you can lay your hands on them).
The easiest ones to get hold of are from Gabro - and I think his "sale" is still on.

Perhaps the best solution of all is to fit a chip with improved ignition timing and then use a PCIII to perfect the fuelling.

wayofthedarkhand · #50 Post by **wayofthedarkhand** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:55 am

With ignition timing, are you talking about the electrical equivalent of fitting a +2, +4 advancer? Only with it done electronically, it can advance and/or retard the ignition at different rpms, rather than across the range?

I've ridden plenty but never owned a non-carbed bike before.

D-Rider · #51 Post by **D-Rider** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:02 am

Basically a map of the amount of ignition advance at different rpm / loads.

TBH I don't know how advanced (pun unavoidable) the maps in these chips are and whether they are based on revs alone or other parameters too.

Probably best to contact Gabro for that sort of info.

Aladinsaneuk · #52 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:17 pm

falcos came restricted at 106 - rises to 112 once the air plate and wire snip has been done

getting it to 120 bhp is not hard - exhausts, air box mod , chip change etc - getting above that is harder - 54mm throttle bodies, pc3 dyno tuning and further exhaust mods...

oh - the fastest standard falcons were the black and the red ones - they had larger snorkels.... though how much difference that actually makes is a moot point....

but you are obviously a chap of taste :)

wayofthedarkhand · #53 Post by **wayofthedarkhand** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:22 pm

106bhp and 112bph are crank figures right?

dyno'd my ZX9R C2 with 24k on at the time, it made 133bhp at the rear wheel. always felt fast yet i could never make it power wheelie despite the 74flb of torque.

I think i'd be happy with over 100rwbhp - is there a dyno section on this site with falco figures?

D-Rider · #54 Post by **D-Rider** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:36 pm

The USA bikes were restricted to about 84 BHP and de restricted bikes are approx 106 BHP at the rear wheel (obviously the de restricted figure applies to all markets).

I can't locate the restricted figure for European bikes but the US bikes were more restricted than ours.

HowardQ · #55 Post by **HowardQ** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:25 pm

Although most magazines regularly quoted a crank figure of 118bhp.
Don't get too worried about major ECU changes being absolutely necessary with any mods, (i.e. once the basic de-ristriction has been done with the wire snip etc.).
I have Beowulf Titanium cans to help it breath out and a K&N filter to help it breathe in and help balance things up.
Beowulf told me that standard settings would be fine if I left the (pretty useless) baffles in, and that's exactly what I did.
Works absolutely fine for me and it does clear the slight hesitation of the standard bike at approaching 5K revs. there was a dip in power here because it was dumbed down for the ride by noise testing.
No stutter now and works perfectly, it generally picks up better, as well as sounding like a V/Twin should.
I have had a Rengade chip for a couple of years that I am still planning to fit! Will get around to trying it this spring.
Otherwise you only need major mods if you make major changes.

Aladinsaneuk · #56 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:09 pm

lifting the front wheel is NOT a problem on a standard falco... these engines have a lot of torque

performance wise the in line fours will always have more - but the rotax lump has a nice big hefty power band and pulls cleanly all the way through

blinkey501 · #57 Post by **blinkey501** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:45 am

wayofthedarkhand wrote:
hornetrider wrote:
I'll never sell my Falco.
With that attitude, how will i ever get one

Just need to find a good one. Preferably black (it looks the fastest colour), with a belly pan, and little else in the way of modification.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-Aprilia- ... 45ff0c1b4f

This one has been listed a few times has it has not reached the reserve.
It was up for £2100 buy it now origionally, A black crow i have seen go for £1800. This is a late registered black one has they were made in 1999/2000?
This one has the ohlins fitted which is a modification which is normal to falco's and some nice aftermarket cans.
These mods have got to be worth £300?
I would be tempted to see if it sells and ask them what they would take for it, but i think it will be £2000.
A 2002 bike i think is worth £2000, but that is down to opinions and what you think its worth of course

wayofthedarkhand · #58 Post by **wayofthedarkhand** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:05 am

I did see that one. The fact that the fairing has been painted sounds to me like it has been dropped though. Had a fair few owners too. Though it seem that its service history is up to date.

flatlander · #59 Post by **flatlander** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:15 pm

Ad more importantly it's black

Falconihlist · #60 Post by **Falconihlist** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:30 pm

flatlander wrote:Ad more importantly it's black