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I guess Futura Motocross is an entertaining sport!
All You Need To Know About Falco Rear Suspension (probably)
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D-Rider wrote:
I guess Futura Motocross is an entertaining sport!
Tried it once (car park at a soggy Darley Moor); hence the paint-less patch on the LH pannier.
1st. pic lifted from an AF1 thread; 2nd. is mine
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Nice one Mart! From your measurements the Fut shock is a fair bit longer than the Falco (325mm vs. 317mm), so that would definitely affect ride height. By a fair bit...
I don't wish to spoil your post-dinner relaxation, but I'd be very interested to see inter-bolt hole measurements for the triangles. And the dogbone, if poss, just to confirm what I already suspect/believe.
I think the only way to determine whether a Fut shock will fit on a Falco is by trying to fit it. If it fits, I think it will be very close.
I also subscribe to the view that it's clean under the grease...
I don't wish to spoil your post-dinner relaxation, but I'd be very interested to see inter-bolt hole measurements for the triangles. And the dogbone, if poss, just to confirm what I already suspect/believe.
I think the only way to determine whether a Fut shock will fit on a Falco is by trying to fit it. If it fits, I think it will be very close.
I also subscribe to the view that it's clean under the grease...
From the picture, that's not the full length - it looks as though its about another 40mm longer to the pivot.mangocrazy wrote:Nice one Mart! From your measurements the Fut shock is a fair bit longer than the Falco (325mm vs. 317mm), so that would definitely affect ride height. By a fair bit...
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The Fut shock has piqued my interest, I have to say. What adjustments does it have? Is it the same as the Falco shock (i.e. rebound damping) but with the added bonus of hydraulic preload adjustment? I take it there's no compression adjustment...?
It certainly doesn't need any ride height adjustment. It's almost as long as an RSV Ohlins at full ride-height extension (Futura Sachs = 325 mm, Ohlins AP8240 = 327 mm maxed out).
It certainly doesn't need any ride height adjustment. It's almost as long as an RSV Ohlins at full ride-height extension (Futura Sachs = 325 mm, Ohlins AP8240 = 327 mm maxed out).
Yes, Graham, pre-load & rebound only.
As I said earlier, I have a spare - the grubby one in the pics - if anyone wants to borrow it to experiment, you're welcome.
Within the Futura community, most owners seem to find this shock ok - but some don't rate it very highly. Most of the nay-sayers are Americans; I suspect their view may be in part due to the generally more ample proportions, & concomitant weight, of the US population. Some have found it doesn't hold up too well to extended touring, 2-up with luggage. But, as I said, most find it fine. And remember, the Futura is around 20kg. heavier than the Falco.
Maxton have this to say about it :
The rear of the Futura is too soft. The spring on the unit is sprung for a
round an 8 or 9 stone rider. This makes the bike sit down under power and
run wide out of corners. It also makes the bike hard work to move around
on tight, twist roads. The standard Futura shock absorber does not have
enough rebound or compression damping either. This means there is not
enough support with the spring, and even though the spring is soft, there is
not enough control of the spring. Because of the damping problems, it
means there is very little point in respringing the standard rear shock as it
just becomes a “harder pogostick”. The standard shock absorber is a
sealed unit and cannot be rebuilt. Even if you could find a way to strip
the shock down, you cannot buy any parts from Aprilia for the damper.
To cure the handling problems of the Aprilia Futura we recommend a new
shock absorber.
Well, you wouldn't expect them tp praise it, would you?. I showed this to Griff a while back - he said it's largely bollocks, & the standard unit is fine for most people in most situations.
As I said earlier, I have a spare - the grubby one in the pics - if anyone wants to borrow it to experiment, you're welcome.
Within the Futura community, most owners seem to find this shock ok - but some don't rate it very highly. Most of the nay-sayers are Americans; I suspect their view may be in part due to the generally more ample proportions, & concomitant weight, of the US population. Some have found it doesn't hold up too well to extended touring, 2-up with luggage. But, as I said, most find it fine. And remember, the Futura is around 20kg. heavier than the Falco.
Maxton have this to say about it :
The rear of the Futura is too soft. The spring on the unit is sprung for a
round an 8 or 9 stone rider. This makes the bike sit down under power and
run wide out of corners. It also makes the bike hard work to move around
on tight, twist roads. The standard Futura shock absorber does not have
enough rebound or compression damping either. This means there is not
enough support with the spring, and even though the spring is soft, there is
not enough control of the spring. Because of the damping problems, it
means there is very little point in respringing the standard rear shock as it
just becomes a “harder pogostick”. The standard shock absorber is a
sealed unit and cannot be rebuilt. Even if you could find a way to strip
the shock down, you cannot buy any parts from Aprilia for the damper.
To cure the handling problems of the Aprilia Futura we recommend a new
shock absorber.
Well, you wouldn't expect them tp praise it, would you?. I showed this to Griff a while back - he said it's largely bollocks, & the standard unit is fine for most people in most situations.
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Yes I've read all sorts of stuff from Maxton over the years, and in some cases they have said a shock was too soft when it was in fact as rigid as a mineshaft prop. They're in business to sell shocks and they do that by rubbishing OE shocks and putting doubts in owners minds.
But to be honest, the absence of compression and ride height adjustment means it's only one step above the OE Falco blue spring Sachs in the desirability stakes, even though it appears a much better unit. I think it would probably work pretty well on the Falco. Shame it wasn't supplied as OE.
I'd like to say I'll experiment with it if I have some time, but I NEVER seem to have spare time these days...
But to be honest, the absence of compression and ride height adjustment means it's only one step above the OE Falco blue spring Sachs in the desirability stakes, even though it appears a much better unit. I think it would probably work pretty well on the Falco. Shame it wasn't supplied as OE.
I'd like to say I'll experiment with it if I have some time, but I NEVER seem to have spare time these days...
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Sl to Tuono shock
Hi Guys,
Great resource here !
I have a question some of you more experienced may know.
I have a 03 Falco with a Ohlins AP 840 46PRCLS
I am buying a 04 Tuono.
Will my Ohlins fit on? Do I have to swap links etc?
If I have to swap links will my ol blue Sachs work with the Tuono links?
I am planning to put on my original blue shock to sell on the bike. In Australia they were re valved and didnt perform too bad.
Cheers!
Great resource here !
I have a question some of you more experienced may know.
I have a 03 Falco with a Ohlins AP 840 46PRCLS
I am buying a 04 Tuono.
Will my Ohlins fit on? Do I have to swap links etc?
If I have to swap links will my ol blue Sachs work with the Tuono links?
I am planning to put on my original blue shock to sell on the bike. In Australia they were re valved and didnt perform too bad.
Cheers!
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hi ross
using the original blue spring sachs with tuono dog bone and triangles is not a good idea unless you change spring - I THINK
with regard to the tuono - gen 1 or gen 2 - if it is gen 2 then forget it - i believe the damping etc is different , If a gen 1 then unless it is model year for model year, then swop in the dog bone and triangles
(I think that makes sense!)
and yep neck - but there are also some lowering kits available....
using the original blue spring sachs with tuono dog bone and triangles is not a good idea unless you change spring - I THINK
with regard to the tuono - gen 1 or gen 2 - if it is gen 2 then forget it - i believe the damping etc is different , If a gen 1 then unless it is model year for model year, then swop in the dog bone and triangles
(I think that makes sense!)
and yep neck - but there are also some lowering kits available....
Let's face it, you wouldn't go to a nurse to get good advice on a problem with a Falco - you'd choose an Engineer or a mechanic...