Falclimber on the dyno (with link pipe mod)

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longracinginc · #16 Post by **longracinginc** » Fri May 04, 2012 6:25 am

As far as mods. i have the opened lower airbox boot, and removed the ram air plugs( they were 1/3 the size they are now) gabro eprom, msd coils, 8.5 mm msd super silicone wires, BR8eix plugs. one tooth drop on the front. It will power wheelie in 3rd gear. will any of yours? So much for a brotherhood of Falco owners. really! i give you my honest numbers, and i get jumped on, and called a liar. Nice

D-Rider · #17 Post by **D-Rider** » Fri May 04, 2012 8:10 am

I don't believe anyone has called you a liar. It's just that there are more modified bikes on the forum and they don't make that much power.
Usually when someone gets numbers like this, they really are the numbers recorded but are somewhat assisted by the compensation values that the dyno operator has pre-programmed into the dyno.
Really, nobody is having a go at you.

#18 Post by **Kwackerz** » Fri May 04, 2012 11:50 am

longracinginc wrote: i give you my honest numbers, and i get jumped on, and called a liar. Nice

Motorcycles, forums and dynos ALWAYS produce great and lengthy debates, there's so much scope for massaging figures (i dont mean you, i mean dyno operators) that the only dyno that counts is your own Arse Dyno.

You can guesstimate a bike's performance by the book figure for it's output (even these have been mega-hotly debated over the years) and use that as the base. from that you can add bhp (or hp, ps or your own chosen measurement) for a can and pipework mods at whatever 'ballpark' figure. air inlet work at another figure, engine work.. say throttlebodies, providing another increase, allow another figure for chip (eprom) tuning them in together (some mixes of add ons can and do have negative effects on performance)

then there's the argument whether to strap the bike down on the dyno or not, what air is provided and whether it provides a 'ram' factor... then there's height above sea level (this genuinely affects performance), the fuel used... tyre pressures... time of day, ability of the dyno operator, where they stick the little white marker on the tyre...

it's a right nightmare!! If you quote a figure, then that figure can be taken as a start. it'll be disputed but it doesnt mean youre a liar, just that there's so many variables that it can be disputed. especially with the amount of knowledge of mods that there is on the forum. there's race bikes, roadbikes, trackday bikes, hacks, tourers... all wearing the Aprilia Falco badge. if the guys dispute it, it's out of genuine honesty against the figure the dyno op had given you, not disbelief of you yourself.

I would say, a dyno run on a few varying makes of dyno that all show up around the same figure usually silence the critics. there's a difference between sun, dynojet and others. it's factual. so taking an average across those makes give you as best as you can get for a figure. it could be your bike was run in on racecans and tuned straight from the crate. this does have another effect on performance. RiOT ran their RSVR straight from the crate into tuned form and yes the bike did naturally produce more bhp and rev free-er than if it has been run in like a good little customer bike.. yet another variable!!

Aladinsaneuk · #19 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Fri May 04, 2012 11:53 am

the compensation figures arevthe key i think

the altitude would also have an effect but not massively

i think if you look at cornish mafia's dyne results you may get an idea - thats had a fair amount done to it mod wise....

(You want a real laugh - there was some bright spark who claimed to have 132 bhp after changing to a K&N air filter and some after market exhausts.... we all wanted to know where that dyno was as I was hoping to break 150!!)

in my experience

stock restricted bike makes 106 bhp

derestricted makes 112 bhp

a renegade or evoluzzione air kit will add unto 5bhp

a K&N air filter will add up to 3 bhp

A good after market chip - gabro etc - will add up to 5 bhp

Open decent exhausts - renegades or similar will add up to 5 bhp

54mm throttle bodies may add 2 bhp to the top - note the word may

renegade mid pipe mod will add 5-10 bhp to the MID RANGE - bugger all on the top

Mille larger heads/valve add up to 3 bhp

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I stress that is my own personal view and is based on my experiences and reading

I believe the highest recorded score on a falco - ? befbever? was 131

I believe that mine is kicking out around 127

Either way - the bike is far faster than i am :)

Nooj · #20 Post by **Nooj** » Fri May 04, 2012 2:45 pm

It will power wheelie in 3rd gear. will any of yours?

Yes

That's down to gearing though more than power, plus I have Renthal bars, so my weight is further back on the bike from sitting more upright.

Are YOU happy with your bike's performance? That's the important thing for you, doesn't matter what we think.

Keith75 · #21 Post by **Keith75** » Fri May 04, 2012 3:37 pm

longracinginc wrote: i give you my honest numbers, and i get jumped on, and called a liar. Nice

You seem to have taken umbridge to the fact it says 'Pizza delivery rider' beside your name too. Try not to take it personally.

Mine is putting out about enough bhp to make me smile. Could be any number.

#22 Post by **Kwackerz** » Fri May 04, 2012 4:58 pm

It's a post count thing.. the Pizza Delivery Rider tag. No biggie

MartDude · #23 Post by **MartDude** » Fri May 04, 2012 5:13 pm

I'm quite happy with the size of my willy

Aladinsaneuk · #24 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Fri May 04, 2012 5:55 pm

you are very easily pleased though mart

:)

and am not bragging but mine is probably the dirtiest falco in the worl - and one of the most breathed on in the uk.....

it wheelies .... very easily - you do not open the throttle wide, you learn to feed in the power smoothly....

D-Rider · #25 Post by **D-Rider** » Fri May 04, 2012 7:22 pm

Aladinsaneuk wrote: and am not bragging but mine is probably the dirtiest falco in the worl - and one of the most breathed on in the uk.....

Well give it a break - use some of this ....

Aladinsaneuk · #26 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Fri May 04, 2012 7:30 pm

:)

if wit was shit, you would be constipated andy :)

D-Rider · #27 Post by **D-Rider** » Fri May 04, 2012 9:39 pm

No shit!

MartDude · #28 Post by **MartDude** » Fri May 04, 2012 10:48 pm

Aladinsaneuk wrote:you are very easily pleased though mart

.

Yorkshire ones are bigger

blinkey501 · #29 Post by **blinkey501** » Sat May 05, 2012 1:27 am

longracinginc wrote: It will power wheelie in 3rd gear. will any of yours?

Under hard excelleration my grey falco will lift the front wheel slightly in third.
It has 54s and a renegade air box fitted with a 15 front sprocket, although it needs setting up with a power commander has it is running lean.
I fitted the 54s and on that day i tried it once but i don't want keep running it and fook the engine.
Even not set up the difference is clear

blinkey501 · #30 Post by **blinkey501** » Sat May 05, 2012 1:33 am

Aladinsaneuk wrote:
stock unrestricted bike makes 106 bhp

derestricted makes 112 bhp :)

pete my falco is 108 de-restricted with standard exsausts.

That is what the dyno run established