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BikerGran · #16 Post by **BikerGran** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:00 pm

mangocrazy wrote:
D-Rider wrote:Yes the EU gets things wrong just as every level of government gets things wrong but it's not the EU imposing things on "us" - we are the EU on the same level as every other member nation.
A lot of that is down to the UK and its application of certain laws. If (for example) the French don't like a particular law they largely ignore it, while we tend to implement everything unquestioningly. The problem lies when the EU exceeds its original mandate and tries to impose a 'one size fits all' regime of law, without taking into account national differences and sensibilities.

Totally agree with that but I'd throw that particular baby out in a heartbeat.

Luckily for you lot I don't have time fior the rant I'd like to post. Suffice it to say I was againt it when it was just "The Common Market" and it's all gone downhill from there.

#17 Post by **mangocrazy** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:56 pm

I was (and still am) supportive of what was the EEC's original mandate, but now it seems to have become a power-grabbing exercise, along with a 'job for life/jobs for the boys' mentality.

I mean, when does the ratcheting down of noise levels/emissions etc. stop? At some point one would logically say - OK that's enough, we'll stick with that. But because the EU Commission have their phoney baloney jobs to protect, it's a never-ending slippery slope.

Aladinsaneuk · #18 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:39 pm

I am English

I live in a sovereign country

I believe I never had a choice in accepting EU laws

Until that happens, I would choose no to EU law

We were hood winked imho

D-Rider · #19 Post by **D-Rider** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:01 pm

Aladinsaneuk wrote:I am English

I live in a sovereign country

I believe I never had a choice in accepting EU laws

Until that happens, I would choose no to EU law

We were hood winked imho

.... and when did you have the choice of accepting British laws ?

No different.

BikerGran · #20 Post by **BikerGran** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:20 pm

I agree with Pete.

There was a referendum about joining a trade organisation, not a body that would tell us what laws we could and could not have.

And successive British governments have repeatedly promised us a referendum about membership of the EU, but have never kept that promise.

Aladinsaneuk · #21 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:59 am

Nice semantics andy, but british law is not based on a constitution...

and we do have a choice about them - if you don't like them, then piss off somewhere else

but seriously, we can change our own laws - but to have surrendered our sovereignty is remarkable

D-Rider · #22 Post by **D-Rider** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:00 am

Aladinsaneuk wrote:Nice semantics andy, but british law is not based on a constitution...

No Pete The fact we don't have a constitution is immaterial to this discussion.

Aladinsaneuk wrote:and we do have a choice about them - if you don't like them, then piss off somewhere else

Well, you can make the same statement about Britain and about the EU

Better to work within the process to change them though.

Aladinsaneuk wrote: but seriously, we can change our own laws - but to have surrendered our sovereignty is remarkable

Same applies. If we can get enough support in Westminster we can change our British laws and the same applies in Europe with our European laws. Other European people are just as reasonable as British (European) people so agreeing on issues is no less likely.

#23 Post by **Kwackerz** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:29 pm

So... anyone? AM machines..?

BikerGran · #24 Post by **BikerGran** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:05 pm

They're all rubbish, promise him the earth if he'll wait till he's 17! (or whatever age he cabn get on a decent bike!)

Aladinsaneuk · #25 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:24 pm

Andy - NOT having a constitution means our law base has been drawn up over centuries of use and change
The constitutions in Europe are recent and enforced by recent events - many of them drawn from the failure that was the League of Nations....
(Remember that historically, the most democratic democracy was the Weimar Republic - and uncle adolph came from that....)

The EU constitution does not allow member states to have the right of choice on individual issues
Further, as it is based on a form of demographic population, the largest populations have the loudest voice - combine that with the French and German hegomany and I can see no way that neither my country, England or my Nation , United Kingdom can ever have a voice...

We also have to consider our (unwritten) constitution is based on religious tenets, while allowing for religious freedom .... Many EU states do not have that and consequently have huge state / religious dichotomies

As it stands - UNTIL there is a full public referendum we do not , nor have ever, had a choice in being in the EU - that was a decision made in parliament with no public discussion....

blinkey501 · #26 Post by **blinkey501** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:29 pm

D-Rider wrote:
blinkey501 wrote:
As per usual Andy you are right. I can't be arsed....
Apologies for pissing you off Jay.
As with everyone I'm not always right but where I think I am, I'll stick up for what I believe to be right. Not always popular but hey.

With europe, we only ever seem to hear the negative and someone needs to start balancing things out.

And Graham, I don't disagree with your analysis. The EU Commission badly needs to be made more accountable.
Nevertheless I'll not be wanting to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Yep sorry too mate. It must be the time of the month!!!!!

Aladinsaneuk · #27 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:46 pm

Was it hard to insert the tampon jay?

blinkey501 · #28 Post by **blinkey501** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:52 pm

Aladinsaneuk wrote:Was it hard to insert the tampon jay?

No mate I use wings

Aladinsaneuk · #29 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:24 pm

Red Bull??