Mallory Park and the 1000 bikes festival

[flatlander]

for planning terms all opinions count as long as the planner chooses to consider them and as they are generally either incompetent or give a good appearance of being that or bent you may as well submit the opinion and hope you get a good one

[HisNibbs]

Never a one sided dispute. Seems like residents have legitimate concerns and the management at Mallory needs to be sensitive to them. It would be a shame that events such as 1000 bikes can not continue because there are not adequate toilet facilities or enforcement of agreed noise limits etc.

I was concerned that the Falco was over 103db. It spat one of the db killers out the first year but no one was testing. The db killers didn't seem to make much of a difference anyway but I'd better buy some more just in case....

Racing machines make a noise but not at 11.00 at night and we don't need loud music pounding out at 2AM. A nice cup of coco around 10 would be fine so the head will be clear to ride the next day

[Aladinsaneuk]

may i publish the photograph of Mr HisNibbs enjoying his cocoa with a little dance and sing a long?

[D-Rider]

The source is the MCN website so it may be a work of fiction ....

But there are reports that Mallory Park has been Sold to a Property Developer !

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/ ... park-sold/

[MartDude]

"UPDATE: 16:14

Brian Robinson of Titan Property Group, owners of the Mallory Park estate has contacted Motorcycle News to state that Mallory Park circuit is not for sale."

[D-Rider]

"UPDATE: 16:14

Brian Robinson of Titan Property Group, owners of the Mallory Park estate has contacted Motorcycle News to state that Mallory Park circuit is not for sale."

So that's all OK .... unless it's not for sale as it's already been sold! ........

[Aladinsaneuk]

I think MCN just got a legal threat!

[lazarus]

It could be argued that changes in the technology commonly used these days has led to more noticeable noise - for example modern high revving bike engines make a very different sound to the 2-strokes that were commonplace not so long ago.

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But its not just that, is it? Bikers routinely put noisy exhausts on their bikes to replace the standard quiet ones. When they do this, they are deliberately making more noise and not surprisingly irritating non bikers more than ever. Red rag to a bull.

But we live in a democracy of sorts so there is no way that the small minority which is biking is ever going to prevail longer term over the large majority with no interest in motor sport and a dislike of noise.

And as someone with both a bike and a sports car and an abiding interest in racing, I do not see what problem there is in fitting race cars and bikes with effective silencers.

[BikerGran]

Anyone following the Mallory Park discussions on Facebook will know that in fact a lot of the residents are horrified at the idea that Mallory might close - it's only about half a dozen that are complaining but as always, the minority seem to carry more weight than the majority.

[Kwackerz]

It could be argued that changes in the technology commonly used these days has led to more noticeable noise - for example modern high revving bike engines make a very different sound to the 2-strokes that were commonplace not so long ago.

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But its not just that, is it? Bikers routinely put noisy exhausts on their bikes to replace the standard quiet ones. When they do this, they are deliberately making more noise and not surprisingly irritating non bikers more than ever. Red rag to a bull.

But we live in a democracy of sorts so there is no way that the small minority which is biking is ever going to prevail longer term over the large majority with no interest in motor sport and a dislike of noise.

And as someone with both a bike and a sports car and an abiding interest in racing, I do not see what problem there is in fitting race cars and bikes with effective silencers.

No, they routinely put performance exhausts on their bikes to improve performance and fuel efficiency, many too purchasing decibel killers.. and commenting on forums how they carefully keep the revs down on the bikes as they travel out of urban areas in the mornings.. etc etc
I cannot categorically report one case in my knowledge of a biker going out of his way to buy a noisy exhaust purely to have.. a noisy exhaust..

In fact no, I will retract that. Some do 'cut cans down' for aesthetics to mimic MotoGP exhaust size and sound.. and a ill informed view that the shorter the can the better the power output.. but for the membership here I dont think that applies

[mangocrazy]

And as someone with an abiding interest in racing, I do not see what problem there is in fitting race cars and bikes with effective silencers.

So as a fan of racing (including, one presumes classic racing) you would be quite happy to see a Honda-6, or an MV-3 or a Benelli-4 silenced? The sound classic bikes make is one of the most evocative traits they possess, and you want to effectively eviscerate it?

[D-Rider]

.... and some of them are painted in loud colours ...........

[HisNibbs]

Not a big fan of noise for the sake of it but Mango is absolutely right. When it comes to an appreciation of the machines rather than "the racing", noise is a big part of the experience. I can remember first hearing the MVs in the 70's. People pay good money to hear that kind of "noise" again.

One of the reasons I enjoy riding the BM every day is the effortless silence compared to the Falco. The Falco has the Aprillia Racing CF cans and is noisy but the cans are light and the bike flies when opened up. Fun but I'd rather not do that where it might attract attention.

The 1000 bikes festival is not about "The racing" it is about the history of racing and the machines and people who took part. Though I generally want peace and quiet, I for one wan't to fully experience that.

[lazarus]

It could be argued that changes in the technology commonly used these days has led to more noticeable noise - for example modern high revving bike engines make a very different sound to the 2-strokes that were commonplace not so long ago.

.

But its not just that, is it? Bikers routinely put noisy exhausts on their bikes to replace the standard quiet ones. When they do this, they are deliberately making more noise and not surprisingly irritating non bikers more than ever. Red rag to a bull.

But we live in a democracy of sorts so there is no way that the small minority which is biking is ever going to prevail longer term over the large majority with no interest in motor sport and a dislike of noise.

And as someone with both a bike and a sports car and an abiding interest in racing, I do not see what problem there is in fitting race cars and bikes with effective silencers.

No, they routinely put performance exhausts on their bikes to improve performance and fuel efficiency, many too purchasing decibel killers.. and commenting on forums how they carefully keep the revs down on the bikes as they travel out of urban areas in the mornings.. etc etc
I cannot categorically report one case in my knowledge of a biker going out of his way to buy a noisy exhaust purely to have.. a noisy exhaust..

In fact no, I will retract that. Some do 'cut cans down' for aesthetics to mimic MotoGP exhaust size and sound.. and a ill informed view that the shorter the can the better the power output.. but for the membership here I dont think that applies

Oh come on Kwakers! You cant really believe what you have posted. For a start, what about all those Hardly riders who remove silencers altogether - that cant be performance of they wouldn't buy a Hardly in the first place. And as for the rest, you can expect people to talk to you about performance but the reality is, as research has shown, that the last 5% of max power is rarely if even used on the roads and that 5% is the best you can expect from a non standard exhaust. What people are doing is buying farkles for their bikes - nothing wrong with that except that the excessive noise is poking a sleeping dog with a stick.

I live in a small town / large village on a biker rat run heading up into the Brecon beacons. I can assure you that few if any of the sports bike riders that appear round now and run till October time take care to keep engine noise down. To the contrary, they enjoy blipping the throttle and hearing the noise reflected back off the buildings as they go down the high street

But what you or I believe is the motivation doesnt really matter. To non bikers, loud exhausts are simply taking the pi55 and you see with cases like Mallory , the general public biting back. If people simply kept the standard exhaust there would be a smaller problem. It wouldnt go away altogether because there always are kill joys in this world. But the reasonable middle group would not be so wound up.

And as someone with an abiding interest in racing, I do not see what problem there is in fitting race cars and bikes with effective silencers.

So as a fan of racing (including, one presumes classic racing) you would be quite happy to see a Honda-6, or an MV-3 or a Benelli-4 silenced? The sound classic bikes make is one of the most evocative traits they possess, and you want to effectively eviscerate it?

never have been interested in classic racing but I still dont see a problem. For me, racing is about skill, technology and winning - not about exhaust noise.

[mangocrazy]

And as someone with an abiding interest in racing, I do not see what problem there is in fitting race cars and bikes with effective silencers.

So as a fan of racing (including, one presumes classic racing) you would be quite happy to see a Honda-6, or an MV-3 or a Benelli-4 silenced? The sound classic bikes make is one of the most evocative traits they possess, and you want to effectively eviscerate it?

never have been interested in classic racing but I still dont see a problem. For me, racing is about skill, technology and winning - not about exhaust noise.

So you've chosen a thread on classic racing motorcycles (in which you have no interest, even though you have an 'abiding' interest in racing) to state your position on exhaust noise. The exhaust noise these older bikes make is one of the chief reasons people turn up to these events. Aren't you simply poking an ant's nest with a stick for a bit of enjoyment here?