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Aladinsaneuk · #16 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:12 pm

In many ways, and despite the limited amount of answers I think this has been one of my favourite threads for a while

Thanks folks

flatlander · #17 Post by **flatlander** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:05 pm

see I am only surprised that
I don't want your freedom,
I don't want to play around,
I don't want nobody baby

hasn't come up yet

though as I am far younger and dare I say hipper than many on here OI would have more likely offered up

I feel free
I feel freedom
Why they mad?
You should see them
Burn a L
'Cause it's crazy in here
Crazy in here
Crazy in here

plus she has tits the other two were just tits ... allegedly

HisNibbs · #18 Post by **HisNibbs** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:27 pm

Go where you want, when you want and rarely if ever, get stuck in f'ing traffic.

(Provided you can afford it, get time off work and permission from the missus...)

HowardQ · #19 Post by **HowardQ** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:54 pm

It's a combination of a number of things for me, and these can apply for cars and bikes, but it is much easier to -
a) Achiieve it on a bike than a car.
b) It's much easier to drive a car in the more normal non involving way.

APPOLOGIES TO ANDY before I start.

When I go out for a run on a bike it usually involves travelling quickly, sometimes very quickly and both these options can be easily maintained on a bike because you can pass things so much easier and maintain momentum, but it demands total concentration as other road users don't always expect to see you going much quicker than them and others don't see you at all. (Then again it is really nice when come up behing a 911 driver or similar, and he opens it up for a while, so you follow him, as traffic looms in front he backs off, winds the window down to wave you through then leaves it down to listen to the sound of the bike is it accellerates into the distance, you can't let them down can you!).
This means your concentration levels have to be very high and you have to watch other road users, the road itself and everything around you like a hawk, so you can anticipate things.
You forget everything else and just enjoy the bike, which sometimes can become you against everything else, so you feel good when you get to the end. Often you are not really going anywhere, just riding.
The best feeling in the world, and it totally clears your mind.

When I first more or less packed up riding it was to take up car rallying seriously. With a bike it is all about pushing up to the limits of grip and holding it there, yeh it can be nice if you back it in slightly, but you do not really want to lose either the front or the back under power.
The thing about my old RWD rally cars, (mostly a MK1 Escort Twin Cam), was the fact the fun started when there was no traction or when you suddenly lost it.
Throwing the back end out under power to be able to get around a bend suddenly became so much better than leaning the bike over through a fast bend. It was all about getting the balance, too little power and you went straight on into the scenery, too much power and you went off sideways or backwards into the scenery. Get it just right and you went perfectly around the corner on opposite lock in a glorious power slide.
The old "Scandanavian Flick" on a loose forest track was the ultimate.
Hairpin or 90 degree plus right hand bend coming up and you throw the car sidways to the left at some silly speed to scrub off speed, (you can't brake on the loose stuff), then bring it around in a sweeping pendulum action as you get to the bend and power out the other side on opposite lock then the power finally causes you to straighten things up before the whole thing starts again for the next bend. Gravel tracks are just like driving on marbles so you can never steer or brake in the normal way.

There is no more exciting feeling in driving, because you have to concentrate to get it exactly right or you are mowing down fir trees, and you don't usually manage more than one. You do not feel that stable then Pete!
My old V6 Capri road rally was unique, in that on a fast road section heading up towards three figures heading into a bend, the front end would go very light as it really wanted to understeer, so your floored it to bring the back end out and neutralise it, you may even give it a "help" with the hand brake sometimes, but it's really a knife edge thing or you go off in a big way.

Sadly (??) nearly all cars now are FWD, are very stable, handle well and have traction/stability control, ABS etc. etc. etc.. so you nearly always get round the bend without really trying.
I have a small (ish), fast RWD car now, which is still fun but you can't just turn everything off and go blasting through corners on opposite lock very often these days.

You can still ride through corners on bikes really quickly and pass cars almost before you think about them so bikes have got to be much more fun over the last 40 years.

You are closer to the elements on a bike and that makes you read them better, (but travelling down a forest road way into three figures makes you feel really close to your surroundings especially when the tree branches are brushing the car and the rocks on the sumpgard makes you feel like the car might break apart and it's much noisier than a Falco on race cans). I have not been able to afford to rally cars for many years, (It would have to be Historic Rallying if I could), so I ride bikes and absolutely love them.

And again SORRY ANDY !!!

OOOOPS SORRY again ANDY !!!
Just me and Terri and the "Twink" out on the old Scofton Airfield near Retford, 30 odd years ago, slowing down from flat out for a bend!

D-Rider · #20 Post by **D-Rider** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:18 am

blinkey501 · #21 Post by **blinkey501** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:04 am

flatlander wrote:see I am only surprised that
I don't want your freedom,
I don't want to play around,
I don't want nobody baby

hasn't come up yet

though as I am far younger and dare I say hipper than many on here OI would have more likely offered up

I feel free
I feel freedom
Why they mad?
You should see them
Burn a L
'Cause it's crazy in here
Crazy in here
Crazy in here

plus she has tits the other two were just tits ... allegedly

I bet in the 80s you had a bushy hair cut and a string vest geoff. In fact i bet you still have the vest for 80s reunions

Aladinsaneuk · #22 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:27 am

i bet the shell suit gets a regular airing as well

fatboy · #23 Post by **fatboy** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:39 pm

Do you own an American ppoliceman's uniform and like to hang out on Hampstead Heath ?

flatlander · #24 Post by **flatlander** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:16 pm

fatboy you are thinking of squid not me he's the one with the body for that getup

and Alad for you later in the same song is

I'm your idol i'm your idol i'm your m-thaf-ck-ng idol
Pink friday at macys, thongs and some pasties

.......Cause it's crazy in here crazy in here crazy in here

Aladinsaneuk · #25 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:28 pm

you been smoking dung again geoff?

randomsquid · #26 Post by **randomsquid** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:59 pm

flatlander wrote:fatboy you are thinking of squid not me he's the one with the body for that getup

Think you mean he's the one with the body of a Greek god.

Aladinsaneuk · #27 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:22 pm

Silenus?

MartDude · #28 Post by **MartDude** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:31 am

Aladinsaneuk wrote:Silenus?

Pete - you don't have to be self-referential all the time

Aladinsaneuk · #29 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:03 am

ahh but Mart - I bet you knew it with out google - and i bet you smiled

flatlander · #30 Post by **flatlander** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:37 am

MartDude wrote:
Aladinsaneuk wrote:Silenus?
Pete - you don't have to be self-referential all the time

be fair Mart if he was being he would most likely have said Hephaestus