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Brembo 4-pad caliper pins

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:29 pm
by mangocrazy
While I'm very impressed with the design of the Brembo 4-pad calipers (both radial and non-radial types), I'm less than impressed with the material Brembo have used for the pins that are used as part of the pad retention system. I don't have a problem with the design; it's the material (thinly coated mild steel) that I have a beef with.

These pins (two per caliper) are used to hold a spring clip which in turn retains the pads and stops them from popping out of the top of the caliper. These pins mount into the caliper body and in an ideal world would be liberally greased to protect them from water, road crap and salt. Unfortunately any application of grease is liable to find its way either onto the pads (a definite no-no) or the piston seals (also a no-no, unless you're using special 'seal-friendly' grease).

I believe the general plan is to leave them unlubricated; which means that they are prone to corrosion, especially after a winter like we've just had (and are still having). I've pulled some pins out of a set of calipers which have never been used on the road for most of the bike's life and have mainly been used on track days, and they are still quite corroded. I certainly wouldn't want to re-use them, and the bike they came out of has done less than 5,000 miles.

This got me thinking, and my thoughts turned to getting some pins made out of stainless steel and, in particular, marine grade stainless; also known as A4 or 316 stainless steel. I've just approached a local engineering firm with a technical drawing of said items and asked them for a quotation for quantities of 40, 100 and 200. This equates to sets of 10, 25 and 50 when used for a standard twin-caliper setup. Note that these pins will fit both radial and non-radial 4-pad calipers as originally fitted to RSV Milles etc. in the last 7 or 8 years.

If I was able to make these available to forum members at a sensible price (i.e. less than £20 per set of 4, and hopefully less than that), how many people might be interested? It all depends on the price I get back from the engineering company, of course. A diagram of what the pin looks like is (or should be) displayed below...


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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:56 pm
by D-Rider
I guess the problem may be in finding enough of us with the 4-pad callipers .... though if you do get some done at a reasonable price, I could be in for a set.

Otherwise I'd probably use a thin coat of grease on the standard ones.

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:35 pm
by HisNibbs
I've always lightly smeared these retaining pins with high melting point grease and never had any problems with seals or pads.
They still get a little corroded though but not so as to malfunction.

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:01 am
by Olig7475
count me for a set, the pins on my 4 pad calipers are in a right state.

Can of worms

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:01 am
by paddyz1
You could be removing one form of corrosion and replacing it for another

This artical has some info on galvanic corrosion depending on conditions. It may be worth doing more research

http://www.bssa.org.uk/topics.php?article=89

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:03 am
by D-Rider
Can we make them out of Gold then? That should do the trick.

I'd be up for a few sets at £20 per set. :smt002




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Re: Can of worms

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:00 am
by mangocrazy
paddyz1 wrote:You could be removing one form of corrosion and replacing it for another

This artical has some info on galvanic corrosion depending on conditions. It may be worth doing more research

http://www.bssa.org.uk/topics.php?article=89
Good point Paddy, although I notice this paragraph:

Stainless steel fasteners in aluminium plates or sheets are normally considered safe, whereas aluminium rivets or bolts holding stainless steel parts together is an unwise combination, as there is a practical risk of corrosion.

There is also the factor that the aluminium in this case is anodised, so it has a protective coating, whereas the mild steel pins appear only to be chemically blackened, which is why they corrode so easily.

In practice, as HisNibbs says, a very light smear of grease will also help.

Oh yes, and looking at the tables on this site, the grade of stainless I intend to use is 316, also known as 1.4401, a general purpose austenitic stainless steel. This is more commonly known as A4 or marine grade stainless. It's name (apparently!) is X5CrNiMo17-12-2.

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:39 pm
by MartDude
I'm interested. Would these pins also fit the rear brake caliper?

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:03 pm
by mangocrazy
Hi Mart, I'm really not sure whether they would fit the rear caliper. I would suspect not, but I'd need to check. Do you have RSV 4-pad calipers on your Futura, then? That should sharpen the braking up a fair bit.

Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:31 pm
by MartDude
mangocrazy wrote:Hi Mart, I'm really not sure whether they would fit the rear caliper. I would suspect not, but I'd need to check. Do you have RSV 4-pad calipers on your Futura, then? That should sharpen the braking up a fair bit.
Oops :smt087 !

Clear illustration of the dangers of posting after a lunchtime session. Read what I wanted to read!

Are there S/S pins available for the twin-pot calipers?
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:47 pm
by mangocrazy
Now you really are confusing me... The caliper you've posted a pic of there is the 4-pad caliper, which uses the pins we're talking about. The pins on that caliper don't actually hold the pads in place, they just hold a spring clip in place, which in turn holds the pads in place. There are 4 pads per caliper on this design, and the caliper has an additional bridging piece in the middle of the caliper.

The standard Falco caliper has two pins which actually pass through mounting lugs on the pads (which are two per caliper). This caliper doesn't have the bridge in the middle.

I'm not sure on how the Fut is specified; does it have the 4 pad or 2 pad calipers?

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:49 pm
by MartDude
Buggery buggery bollocks. Wrong again - picked wrong pic. Yes, that's an RSV caliper, to go with the RSV forks I intend to fit - sometime . . .

This is a Fut caliper - at least it's on my bike - twin pad. Is it the same as the Falco? And yes, I know it needs cleaning.

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brake pins

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:54 pm
by vek
hi all, im new to this site.
regarding the brake pad pins i wipe mine with a dab of acf50 before re-fitting, havnt had any probs as yet :smt001

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:17 pm
by D-Rider
Hi and welcome Vek


Good tip .... and Nooj with his new ACF50 spraying business will probably love the endorsement !
You should try to get some commission :smt002

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:26 am
by Firestarter
D-Rider wrote:Hi and welcome Vek


Good tip .... and Nooj with his new ACF50 spraying business will probably love the endorsement !
You should try to get some commission :smt002
Hmm, can anyone check that this isn't really Nooj drumming up business? :smt002

J/K, welcome to the site Vek. Don't forget to stop by the bar and the gallery!