Anyone got a spare mille swinger..?

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sabestian · #16 Post by **sabestian** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:54 am

Wouldn't it be easier if you just avoided/ignored one another?

D-Rider · #17 Post by **D-Rider** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:37 am

sabestian wrote:Wouldn't it be easier if you just avoided/ignored one another?

In the words of Vic & Bob: "They wouldn't let it lie!"

Healthy debate is fine, analysis of the value of different options is fine and may have different conclusions based on viewpoint, even the odd insult is fine .... when done in good humour.
But come on, it's getting a bit personal - at least for this part of the forum.

NOW - I am thinking of asking Kwackerz to start a new sub-forum called "The Padded Cell".
This would be a place where people can rant away on subjects they feel passionate and people can argue to their hearts content (almost). Yes, we'd still have to make sure things didn't get completely out of hand but we could have a more relaxed approach to policing.
This would keep the main forums for debate, discussion, help and generally getting along with each other and this new dark place for ranting raving and generally abusing each other.

Any thoughts anyone?

Falcoholic · #18 Post by **Falcoholic** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:41 am

Drag them both outside and knock thier bloomin heads together.

Nowt wrong with healthy debate but if you wanna flame each other take it over to visordown.com it's all you ever get in the general forum. That and much cliquiness, not like in here

Two bob spent

Gio · #19 Post by **Gio** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:56 am

D-Rider wrote:
sabestian wrote:Wouldn't it be easier if you just avoided/ignored one another?
In the words of Vic & Bob: "They wouldn't let it lie!"

Healthy debate is fine, analysis of the value of different options is fine and may have different conclusions based on viewpoint, even the odd insult is fine .... when done in good humour.
But come on, it's getting a bit personal - at least for this part of the forum.

NOW - I am thinking of asking Kwackerz to start a new sub-forum called "The Padded Cell".
This would be a place where people can rant away on subjects they feel passionate and people can argue to their hearts content (almost). Yes, we'd still have to make sure things didn't get completely out of hand but we could have a more relaxed approach to policing.
This would keep the main forums for debate, discussion, help and generally getting along with each other and this new dark place for ranting raving and generally abusing each other.

Any thoughts anyone?

Thats what "Playgrounds" for

which can be found HERE

Fausto · #20 Post by **Fausto** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:43 pm

Scrapping in the playground - whatever next ?

Perhaps the Bar would be more appropriate. Could get even more interesting fuelled by alcohol

Gio · #21 Post by **Gio** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:49 pm

Fausto wrote:Scrapping in the playground - whatever next ?

Perhaps the Bar would be more appropriate. Could get even more interesting fuelled by alcohol

Never seen anyone get pissed on virtual beer

Thumper · #22 Post by **Thumper** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:06 pm

D-Rider wrote:
TwinNut wrote:

Anyone know what weight of rider + gear the standard spring fitted to the Mille Sachs (with ride height adjustment) is aimed at? I had to get a stronger spring fitted the Ohlins fitted the bike so reckon I'll need to do the same for the Sachs.
TN, I know this has been discussed quite a bit over on AF1 (..... runs for cover .... ) ..... you can always pop over there and search in stealth - nobody need know.

As for the Mille swingers, I've also got one waiting for me to discover the 36hr day to refurbish it (and to lay my hands on a suitable bearing puller - anybody know of one for not much money?).
On the subject of the '04 onwards swingers, they will fit but are a more complicated conversion (but I expect you probably know that anyway).

Have a look here for tools they are not bad;
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/searc ... ller/page/ although it is fairly easy to cut out blind bearings with a sharp chisel etc

#23 Post by **Kwackerz** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:53 pm

TwinNut wrote:
Exdukenut wrote:You missed one in Oz advertised on the AF1 site the other day, in perfect nick with all bearings etc for $Aust400. Pays to go to other forums sometimes me thinks!
At $Aust400 that sounds like your paying too much over there, that's £162 sterling + the shipping costs from Oz would have make it totally uneconomic to buy it/ship it. If that's what they go for over that's crazy money, you can get 'em here for between £50 - £100, which equates to about $Aust150, much more reasonable. As I've said I've got one here that needs some work plus a whole new set of bearings, seals etc....it's finding the time to refurb it, fit the gubbins back into the arm then fit the whole ensemble. If only there were 36 hrs the day it'd be done already.....all in all it looks like the only thing I missed out on by not monitoring AF1 items for sale was being robbed in broad daylight

Not sure where you get off in saying that this one is a ripoff? The swingarm was in perfect nick, near new with brand new bearings etc. You didn't have to waste time and extra money, on all the necessary bearings, seals, cost of getting someone to do the bearings etc, filling/sanding/polishing/painting the arm, which no doubt because of the usual obligatory crash dents 99% of the swingarms we end up with are, and has to be done! And 162 pounds is very cheap, for said quality of swingarm, which will be a straight bolt in. Nothing seems to please you there TwinNut, does it?????? Go figure......you just must be one of those people!!!

Apart from your obvious clash of personalities, I think TwinNut was fair in his first comment about the price, EDN.
It wasnt until afterwards that you expanded and explained just how good the deal had been.

I personally thought it was rather fekkin' steep until your expansion on the subject, your first mention said swingarm in perfect nick with all the bearings . That's pretty standard, getting a swingarm with the bearings fitted. 50 quid ones come with 'em for the majority (although they will most probably need changing)

I think what is needed might be just a little give from both sides in this small insignificant conflict that you both have managed to work yourself into.

Either that or just agree to disagree and avoid commenting on each other's posts. That however would be a shame, as you both bring a lot to the party.

Derail over

OH! ReDerail..

Aprilia RS Competition in General Aprilia.. Enter it or I'll turn the forums Pink.

ReDerail over. Do carry on chaps.

TwinNut · #24 Post by **TwinNut** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:42 am

Exdukenut wrote:And guess what, I bet you know come back to have the last word

That was a good bet to place Mullet, well done, your horse came in..........

Careful though fella, if you carry on ranting like that (just because someone had the audacity to question your judgement) you'll end up known as the Moaning Con, and we wouldn't want that, now would we?

Kwackerz wrote:Apart from your obvious clash of personalities, I think TwinNut was fair in his first comment about the price

At last, a voice of reason and common sense in a sea of ambivalence. Whilst this argument is totally pointless I stand by my original assertion that $400 is a lot of money to pay for a Mille swinger, it might be cheap in the cultural vacuum that is Oz, but it certainly isn't cheap over here in this green and pleasant land and that's a fact.

Hansie · #25 Post by **Hansie** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:16 am

Interesting discussion here!
Why prefer a repaired swinger above a good stocker?

I like the 04 swinger more than the older one : the square design is more likewise the falco's design.
As for fitting :
- The swingarm pops in if you swap a internal bushing from the falco swing
- rideheight is far to low if you use stock falco parts, if you use 04+ sideplates in the linkage you add aprox 2cm rear rideheight which is very nice. Didnt drive that combo (yet), not sure how the shock performs. For me : I designed new sideplates which will be mounted early next week.
- now I drive with a WP shock (Falco spec) and 35mm tailriser which is a bit below stock rideheight. The swing didnt touch the undertray but didnt try very hard...
- not sure what the rideheight is if you use the 04+ linkage and shock.

But please don t do the 04 mod, so mine will be a bit more different...

Thumper · #26 Post by **Thumper** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:26 am

Good on yer Hansie

TwinNut · #27 Post by **TwinNut** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:08 pm

Hansie wrote:Why prefer a repaired swinger above a good stocker?

Cost.

Hansie wrote:I like the 04 swinger more than the older one : the square design is more likewise the falco's design.

I disagree, the '04 arm is just too angular and perhaps has too much of a bend in it and doesn't follow the smoother Falco lines at all. IMHO there's just no comparison, the '00-'03 arm has it.

Hansie · #28 Post by **Hansie** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:17 pm

I disagree, the '04 arm is just too angular and perhaps has too much of a bend in it and doesn't follow the smoother Falco lines at all. IMHO there's just no comparison, the '00-'03 arm has it.

We will never agree me thinks!

Nice pictures!

Yellowduck · #29 Post by **Yellowduck** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:51 pm

IMHO '04 arms don't look as good as the earlier ones when fitted to the Falco.

BTW aren't most of the one's for sale likely to be cracked ones taken off under warranty?

$400 AUS don't sound bad to me, a Falco there cost me $1,100,000

sabestian · #30 Post by **sabestian** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:55 pm

Hansie wrote:
I disagree, the '04 arm is just too angular and perhaps has too much of a bend in it and doesn't follow the smoother Falco lines at all. IMHO there's just no comparison, the '00-'03 arm has it.
We will never agree me thinks!
Nice pictures!

I'm with Hansie on that. Falco frame is very angular, loads of straight edgy lines. Unlike the early Mille swinger. I think the '04 does look better but it's still not ideal.