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Goldie
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#31 Post by Goldie » Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:38 pm

fastasfcuk wrote:i've got the blue spring sachs which i had set by sean at clay cross he said that they are a perfectly good shock and that he races with them and the difference was amazing.
As I understand it, the main problem with the blue spring Sachs is lack of adjustment and a stiff spring. Good suspension setup starts with a good sag setting; if you're not the right weight to get the sag right with the blue spring you're fighting a losing battle. If you can get the sag right you have to hope that the single remaining adjustment will give you the "feel" that you want. Whether that is achievable depends on many things including, but not limited to, riding style/usage, personal preference (which can be very variable), previous experience (some have high expectations/demands), and the condition of the shock (generally not considered worth refurbishing if shagged).

Given the relatively good availability of "cheap" upgrade options (RSV shocks on ebay, etc.) it's not surprising that many give up on the std shock.

There's also a certain satisfaction from upgrading, whether you get a real benefit or not. :smt003

While I wouldn't presume to contradict an expert, I wonder why any racer would choose to use a shock with such limited adjustment when so many better ones are available? :smt017

Having said all that, the original shock is not terrible, and it is possible to get a good result with it if you are within the right weight range and you can find a "feel" that suits your usage. ...and I'm still using one. :smt003

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#32 Post by Goldie » Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:43 pm

Viking wrote:On a similar note, can anyone recommend a good suspension place in Melbourne? I've heard vague good things about ProMecha (Westall Rd, Springvale-ish), but nothing definite.
I can't help feeling you'd get more response in the other place!!! You are always very welcome here, but there aren't too many of us in a position to comment on the availability or quality of suspension experts in Oz. :smt002 :smt003

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#33 Post by sabestian » Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:30 am

Goldie wrote: As I understand it, the main problem with the blue spring Sachs is lack of adjustment and a stiff spring.
Actually, since I own this bike I've always been under impression that front is stiff and the back is softly sprung... I agree with the rest, tho :smt006

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#34 Post by falcomunky » Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:16 am

I agree Sab. The front does feel more 'chattery' over bumps, especially when throttling or braking hard. My blue shock had the adjusters wound fully down, (max compression on the spring), and it was still 'wallowy'!
Now Ive fitted the yellow shock, (still on OE Falco linkages), the improvement is remarkable now Ive fiddled about with its settings a bit! Its made me fully realise how completely out of balance the sussies are, (front and back).
The front needs an overhaul first imo, (new seals, oil and possibly springs), so the back end can be set up to match.
Obviously this only applies to my bike specifically as weight/riding style etc will vary wildly, but I suspect its broadly the same prob with all the early shocks as the later RSVs/Tuonos changed em!
One thing I do wonder though; Is it really essential to change the linkages to the Milles as the Falco and RSV bikes have different geometries anyway! I guess that me being only 10.5/11 stone in full kit and a short arse helps but I reckon I'll stick with the OE Falco links fer now. :smt002
All in all, the sussies need fettling but she still handles sweetly. :smt003
When I hang off her in corners she holds the line well and doesnt skip about like my old zx6r did; Weight difference and softer set-up in general make the big difference I suspect. :smt004
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#35 Post by fastasfcuk » Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:08 pm

your right goldie, but i did'nt mean he only used the blue spring sachs he does race with better set up's as well as the sachs.

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