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Tanks and expansion
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:50 am
by paddyz1
Just a thought.
As this ethanol stuff is making our tanks expand, something that occured to me that may not have been mentioned is that the tanks will be getting thinner. Or a least weaker.
Thoughts[
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 4:24 pm
by Chabby
Would it have to expand to twice the size to be half the thickness? - A 42ltr tank would make for good touring range

Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 4:27 pm
by D-Rider
Don't think it works like that. I think the ethanol attacks it and probably combines with some of the chemicals in the plastic to make it swell. It probably compromises the structure - maybe dissolves it too.
There again I'm no chemist so I'm guessing a bit.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:05 pm
by wayofthedarkhand
What makes you guys think that the tank is coated with a substance that prevents the ethanol from causing long term damage?
After all the ethanol was used in fuels before the Falco was developed.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:44 pm
by Aladinsaneuk
so far tanks have not failed per se
they have grown, so they are buggers to fit once removed.... take them off, drain and leave for six months and they return to normal size
the tanks do have an inner coating - you can see it when you take the fuel pump off - i would not recommend doing that unless you need too btw
some have reported failing fuel lines and connectors
this applies to all of the rotax engined aprilias of the same era as the falco btw
(ignore the known futura connector problem - different issue!)
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:48 pm
by wayofthedarkhand
Removed my tank and popped it back on a few weeks ago without issue, and my bike sits there all week with fuel in. I did try ethanol free fuel, but didn't notice any difference. Could it be a specific brand?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:27 pm
by Aladinsaneuk
do you run unleaded or fourstar?
what brand?
there are some companies that have a better record than others - and declare the content.... and what did the previous owner use?
there are a lot of variables - and no definitives
for what it is worth, i use full fat four star from the old garage in poringland - spendy but.....
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:30 pm
by wayofthedarkhand
Just unleaded from Sainsbury, shell, morrisons, murco.
I don't really like Tesco for some reason.
Murco super doesn't have any ethanol in it, but I never noticed any difference when running it.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:42 pm
by MartDude
Could with a thread/sticky on ethanol-free brands. I read recently on a thread somewhere - can't remember which forum - that Total is also ethanol-free
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:49 pm
by D-Rider
Mine has expanded without any shadow of doubt.
Usually treated to Asda, Tesco or Morrisons fuel.
I did look into the brands thing but decided it would be a nightmare to keep a thread up to date as the various companies change what they supply.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:14 pm
by Viking
It's also possible that the ingredients in one batch of petrol will be different to what's in the next batch.
Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 4:47 am
by Aladinsaneuk
yes, but no viking
after the tesco fuel fiasco, the suppliers tend to be very specific about their fuel
Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:23 pm
by Viking
Aladinsaneuk wrote:yes, but no viking
after the tesco fuel fiasco, the suppliers tend to be very specific about their fuel
You're in the UK. Things down here in Oz are a wee bit different.
Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:58 am
by Aladinsaneuk
Super koala or regular?