All You Need To Know About Falco Rear Suspension (probably)
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Well, I've scoured this and other sites and I still cant find the answer to my question, (apologies if I've missed something) which is:
Is it possible to use the 2004 RSV Sachs shock on my 2002 RSV swingarm, and if so, which linkages/dogbone arrangements do I need?
I know that using the entire rear from the 04 onwards RSVs is a PITA (battery box etc) due to the swingarm shape and dogbone mounting points being different, but I've not read anyone doing an 02/04 hybrid rear.
I also know that the 04 shock is shorter than the earlier Gen 2 shocks, but I wondered if this could be countered using, say, the 02 dogbone perhaps?
The reason I'm asking is that I've noticed that the Gen 2 Sachs seem to be drying-up on Ebay and was hoping to get a newer model (I don't see the point in buying a £60 shock, only to have it rebuilt for £100-150).
Hell, anyone know if the same can be done with the RSV4 shock? Plenty on Ebay and pretty cheap too!
Also, are the 04 RSV Showa forks the same diameter as on the Falco (53mm)?
Ta in advance!
Is it possible to use the 2004 RSV Sachs shock on my 2002 RSV swingarm, and if so, which linkages/dogbone arrangements do I need?
I know that using the entire rear from the 04 onwards RSVs is a PITA (battery box etc) due to the swingarm shape and dogbone mounting points being different, but I've not read anyone doing an 02/04 hybrid rear.
I also know that the 04 shock is shorter than the earlier Gen 2 shocks, but I wondered if this could be countered using, say, the 02 dogbone perhaps?
The reason I'm asking is that I've noticed that the Gen 2 Sachs seem to be drying-up on Ebay and was hoping to get a newer model (I don't see the point in buying a £60 shock, only to have it rebuilt for £100-150).
Hell, anyone know if the same can be done with the RSV4 shock? Plenty on Ebay and pretty cheap too!
Also, are the 04 RSV Showa forks the same diameter as on the Falco (53mm)?
Ta in advance!
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I don't think you'll find a definitive answer to this.
The received wisdom was that it doesn't work but I've been sceptical of that for a long time - and have seen some comments that it can be done - though nothing very clear.
Most of the people with a length of experience will have swapped their shocks ages ago and gone with one of the recognised options - so getting a call on this is going to be difficult.
I'm guessing that it probably can be made to work and you probably need the linkages from the same bike - but how well it would work I don't know. What's more I wouldn't go anywhere near a set of GenII bike linkages on a setup for which they were not designed given the pics of failures - though maybe I'm being over-cautious - I don't know.
So it's a big "don't really know" from me
GenII bike fork diameters are the same (as far as I know) - certainly true that Ohlins are the same diameters between the generations - I'm almost certain that's true for the showas too.
The received wisdom was that it doesn't work but I've been sceptical of that for a long time - and have seen some comments that it can be done - though nothing very clear.
Most of the people with a length of experience will have swapped their shocks ages ago and gone with one of the recognised options - so getting a call on this is going to be difficult.
I'm guessing that it probably can be made to work and you probably need the linkages from the same bike - but how well it would work I don't know. What's more I wouldn't go anywhere near a set of GenII bike linkages on a setup for which they were not designed given the pics of failures - though maybe I'm being over-cautious - I don't know.
So it's a big "don't really know" from me
GenII bike fork diameters are the same (as far as I know) - certainly true that Ohlins are the same diameters between the generations - I'm almost certain that's true for the showas too.
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As ever D-R: MANY thanks.
I figured the fork diameters didn't change, just erring on the side of caution.
As for the 04 shock/02 swingarm: I'm toying with the idea of getting a set (one on Ebay at the mo: seller also has the forks too!) as I got the new swingarm for a lot less than I'd expected so that's freed a bit of money up...
'Spose I could always sell it back on Ebay if it doesn't work!
Thanks again matey and I'll post up if I buy the 04 shock and get it to work...
I figured the fork diameters didn't change, just erring on the side of caution.
As for the 04 shock/02 swingarm: I'm toying with the idea of getting a set (one on Ebay at the mo: seller also has the forks too!) as I got the new swingarm for a lot less than I'd expected so that's freed a bit of money up...
'Spose I could always sell it back on Ebay if it doesn't work!
Thanks again matey and I'll post up if I buy the 04 shock and get it to work...
Two is the magic number... ;)
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triangles and dogbones !
Hi chaps
Ive just got a mint yelow spring sachs shock from a 2003 rsv mille it seems from doing some research that I now need the triangles and dogbone from a 2001 to 2003 mille.
First question is does anybody have any spares for sale?
Secondly how can I differentiate between them measurements etc?
Does the height of the shock ie end to end need to be the same length as the falco or can it be a bit bigger ?
Thanks
Ian
Ive just got a mint yelow spring sachs shock from a 2003 rsv mille it seems from doing some research that I now need the triangles and dogbone from a 2001 to 2003 mille.
First question is does anybody have any spares for sale?
Secondly how can I differentiate between them measurements etc?
Does the height of the shock ie end to end need to be the same length as the falco or can it be a bit bigger ?
Thanks
Ian
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The 2004 RSV shock is around 10mm shorter than the 2003 Mille shock and is even shorter than the standard Falco shock, so the effect will be to reduce ride height. This is generally regarded as a Bad Thing.falcomunky wrote:As ever D-R: MANY thanks.
I figured the fork diameters didn't change, just erring on the side of caution.
As for the 04 shock/02 swingarm: I'm toying with the idea of getting a set (one on Ebay at the mo: seller also has the forks too!) as I got the new swingarm for a lot less than I'd expected so that's freed a bit of money up...
'Spose I could always sell it back on Ebay if it doesn't work!
Thanks again matey and I'll post up if I buy the 04 shock and get it to work...
..... hobbits exceptedmangocrazy wrote: The 2004 RSV shock is around 10mm shorter than the 2003 Mille shock and is even shorter than the standard Falco shock, so the effect will be to reduce ride height. This is generally regarded as a Bad Thing.
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