renegade mille mid section mod - further thoughts

[Aladinsaneuk]

as spring has sprung here in the uk, i have been out on my private test track, ragging the bike hard to give this mod a proper work out

first thing - i was ragging the bike fairly hard and my fuel consumption has suffered.. I do not think this is down to the mod, just the grin factor from caning it :)

second thing - the exhaust note, always fairly awesome with the renegades at full chat, is now fruitier - the cans have an almost ducati/termi like bark.... yes i am sad enough to admit that i do sit at traffic lights blipping the throttle...

third - the mid range power is unreal. where as the falco engine will pull well in 6th gear, i am now being like a rice burner racer - i am loving dropping the bike down a few cogs just for the rush from the 5000 to 8000 rev range - it pulls like a train. I am due to have a dyno session soon and i am expecting to see a fat increase in mid range torque

conclusion - if you have done the mille pipe conversion, do it and enjoy

[Kwackerz]

I believe from memory, it was that mod that had the RiOT bike borrowed by the factory team for bench testing, when RiOT were in the European Superstock. Factory teams dont like it uppem, so it seems.

It'd be interesting to see a copy of your Dynochart when it's done, Upload a copy when you get it (please) -let's all have an ooh and aaah session! Your bike is pretty much one of the most fettled bikes (not clean..fettled..) on the Site and it'd be really good to see what's the score on the doors.

[Samray]

.... yes i am sad enough to admit that i do sit at traffic lights blipping the throttle...

Not got many tunnels around here have we. The railway underpass at Acle is nice, but so short.

[Kwackerz]

..As is the railway bridge at Diss, that rattles nicely in slow traffic, although dont know what the new one's like..

[roosterNI]

i done this mod on the falco over winter, only problem for me being that i never had just a normal mille system on, it was straight from the falco system to modded collector, and no doubt it makes a difference, but as you say a custom map would be the way to go.

[cornish mafia]

Please explain more Aladin ......rsvr pipes fitted with open end cans is that the mod is it and if so how hard is it to fit??? Always Always on the look out for more speed......although saying that i picked up another three points today from our friends in the cars , avg 95 MPH over a mile period and he said the only reason i wasn't over the ton was because of cars pulling onto the bypass which slowed me down enough to get below the ton Avg ......

Have to say he was nice about it cosidering i have a small plate , racing exhausts , tyre down to the limit and i was over the ton at some point so needless to say i signed on the dotted line and took the three points and the £60 fine .........

But like i said Aladin you can never have enough speed .......

[D-Rider]

Please explain more Aladin ......rsvr pipes fitted with open end cans is that the mod is it and if so how hard is it to fit??? Always

It's for those with a Mille exhaust system to which one or two balance pipes are added to the mid section (Pete's gone for the full mod with both balance pipes).
I was looking at this at around the time Pete started investigating. I'm still umming and ah-ing as I'm not certain it helps right at the bottom end - and the bike fund needs replenishing a bit.

[Kwackerz]

It's an alteration to the mille collector, a couple of choicely placed pipes added to the collector alters things quite significantly, although I would say it's more a torque, less a speed issue.... tractability.
Design straight from the track, to get you the fek out of the bends ahead of the Jap IL4's..



*edit* As usual D-R got there first!

[Aladinsaneuk]

As the others have said - main impact is 4000 to 8000 revs...

Big grin factor..... Big big grin factor

[cornish mafia]

OK OK ...now you people who know what you're talking about have told me can you let me have it in Picture form for a complete spanner like my good self

Are we talking fitting a full rsv exhaust system ? If so why is this , bigger , better , can be modded more ......All these questions and i'm still £60 down to the boys in Blue .... How many years of welding skills are needed to achive this goal ......

[D-Rider]

OK OK ...now you people who know what you're talking about have told me can you let me have it in Picture form for a complete spanner like my good self

How many years of welding skills are needed to achive this goal ......

You need to be able to weld stainless - including argon purging.

Beyond the skills of me but finding a tame welder is a possibility or buy one from Redratbike (on Aprilia Performance) or Mark Hill of MHP exhausts

Of course you need to fit a Mille 2:1 system - swapping oil tank and (preferably) oil cooler. There are 2 shapes of Mille mid section - you don't want the very early one.
Choose your own can.

[Aladinsaneuk]

and as alexander said.... simples

we will never compete with the riceburners in terms of top end - but, we will quite cheerfully stuff them on the twisties and the mid speed stuff - this mod gives you a lot more mid range grunt - figures of an extra 8 to 10 bhp in the mid range have been reported.. and that makes a big difference i have found

[cornish mafia]

OK so here goes ......first : - swapping to mille oil tank and cooler...... is this a straight swap for both parts or is there some modding to be done and any year i should be aiming for ....early rsvs ?

When these are fitted is this what will "free" up the space then for a 2:1 mille exhaust system to fit ..........

And last but by no means least are you guys saying that the exhaust mods that you've done are available to buy from Griff or else where ?

I can see my misses and kids starting to starve again and all for the bettering of the Falco sitting in my garage ...... they never understand

[D-Rider]

OK so here goes ......first : - swapping to mille oil tank and cooler...... is this a straight swap for both parts or is there some modding to be done and any year i should be aiming for ....early rsvs ?

Fairly straightforward from what I recall. Hoses are a bit different - see if you can get oil tank / cooler with them attached and then you can mix and match with those and your Falco ones.

The only pain is if you have a skidmarx bellypan. It needs a visit from Mr Dremel to fit around both of these components. Also the anti vibration mountings will need to come off the oil tank to get it to fit behind the bellypan.

Pre04 Mille or old shape Tuono parts are what you need. MilleR has shiny stainless oil tank the standard Mille has painted mild steel.

Later shape bikes parts are different -avoid them.

When these are fitted is this what will "free" up the space then for a 2:1 mille exhaust system to fit ..........

Yes - the exhaust takes a different line that would foul the Falco oil tank.


The top system is the standard Falco system, the bottom one is the mille one that you are after (don't go for the earlier shape as you can't mod it.
Also, don't go for a post 04 system .... for a start, the flanges that bolt to the cylinder heads require 4 bolts rather than 3.

And last but by no means least are you guys saying that the exhaust mods that you've done are available to buy from Griff or else where ?

No - as I mentioned previously, from Redratbike on ApriliaPerformance forum or Mick Hill at MHP exhausts.

[cornish mafia]

Hi D-rider thanks for the input as always a hive of information ........i can see what you mean about the rooting of the rsv pipe but again it doesn't look like too much hassle and like you say after changing the other parts it should just be a bit of a wiggle and my friendly soft hammer to make it fit .......

So exhaust wise i would be looking for a 99-03 model along with the cooler and oil tank .....best from the RSVR of the same year ?? .....think i've seen some on the ebay for that year some where .......

Have you done this to your bile and would you say it's made a worth while difference ??