Rear triangles

[Chabby]

I've managed to acquire two sets of triangles to allow me to (eventually) fit the Mille shock I bought months ago.
Both are the same configuration, but one set is steel, the other alloy.
One set was advertised as Mille (alloy) the others Tuono.
Both are ok conditionwise.
Is there a preferred set? If so, why.
Opinions please (show your working out in the margin).

[D-Rider]

Yes it's correct but don't think it's a Mille/Tuono thing. I think it was the MilleR of 03 that had the steel ones (something like that anyway - I worked it all out a while ago .... but that was a while ago. I know it surprised me as I thought the standard bike would have the steel ones and the"R" would have the ally ones ... but it wasn't.

The Ally ones are made from 6mm Ally and the steel ones are 4mm in section - the steel ones use shorter bolts than the steel ones - not really a problem unless you try to use bolts for the steel ones on the ally ones. The Falcos triangles are 6mm Ally so the Falco bolts do the job.

I've the ally ones on my bike as they won't corrode like steel might - other than that I wouldn't like to say which is "best".

[Kwackerz]

[D-Rider]

D-Rider says ally ones not just Tuono - Mille too.
D-Rider says ally ones on earlier year MilleRs as well as Mille and 2-oh-no

D-Rider takes Field Marshal Kwackerz point but also wonders whether stresses of suspension on a track are any worse than the standard bike experiences barrelling down Britain's wonderful potholed back lanes?


Dunno

[Willopotomas]

When you've decided on which one's you're going to use, would you consider selling the other set to me? Having a bit of a quandary with my set up.. Some modifications may be in order.

[Kwackerz]

D-Rider says ally ones not just Tuono - Mille too.
D-Rider says ally ones on earlier year MilleRs as well as Mille and 2-oh-no

D-Rider takes Field Marshal Kwackerz point but also wonders whether stresses of suspension on a track are any worse than the standard bike experiences barrelling down Britain's wonderful potholed back lanes?


Dunno

I would imagine as the roadbikes are serviced by a stealer more often, they'd use the ones that wear more for roadbikes.. more money coming in... (not that they probably wear that much in reality..)

Who knows what those in Noale really think?!

[D-Rider]

When you've decided on which one's you're going to use, would you consider selling the other set to me? Having a bit of a quandary with my set up.. Some modifications may be in order.

What he's trying to say that Will brought his falco over today and we had a bit of a compare .... and it looks as though it's got Falco linkages with an Ohlins shock (not the Falco-specific ohlins BTW).

We swapped bikes and went for a ride - first Falco I've ridden other than my own.
Too many cars about to get a real feel of how they compare - especially on the twisties - but we did learn a bit.
Fortunately the route we took didn't pass too many grave yards ... there's a limit to how many you should reawaken in any one day .... Those Renegades aren't exactly subtle ....

Noticed a few differences between them - Will's bike's pick-up was crisper than mine (mine's pretty good but I would expect his SL chip and Renegade air kit should be an improvement - and it is).
I preferred my suspension and chassis set up - but it's hardly surprising that I preferred a bike that I've set up to suit myself over one that has been set up for someone else (Will's not got it set up for him yet either).
I felt the rear end was a bit low and a bit soggy and the front a bit harsh.
Turn in wasn't a problem but took some effort whereas mine is quite effortless. Not sure how much of this is down to my more front-biassed set-up and how much to the OZ wheels.

Anyway it was good to try them out and good to confirm that the mods and setup on both bikes do have a noticeable effect.

[Willopotomas]

Fortunately the route we took didn't pass too many grave yards ... there's a limit to how many you should reawaken in any one day .... Those Renegades aren't exactly subtle ....

Good init!

And I also noticed a difference with the standard air box and chip.. Quite surprising really. Also found yours to be a bit smoother all round. And the seat was comfier.

[D-Rider]

Also found yours to be a bit smoother all round.

He's only saying that so the girls will ask to go on the back of his vibrating heap rather than mine .....

[mangocrazy]

What he's trying to say that Will brought his falco over today and we had a bit of a compare .... and it looks as though it's got Falco linkages with an Ohlins shock (not the Falco-specific ohlins BTW).

I felt the rear end was a bit low and a bit soggy and the front a bit harsh.
Turn in wasn't a problem but took some effort whereas mine is quite effortless. Not sure how much of this is down to my more front-biassed set-up and how much to the OZ wheels.

If Will is using Falco triangles and an unmodified RSV Ohlins, then the rear end will definitely be soggy. Standard spring rate on a Falco is 800 lb/ins, and on an RSV is 540 lb/ins. That's quite a big difference. I'm using Falco triangles with an RSV Ohlins and I've recently changed my 800 lb/in spring for a 700 lb/in jobbie. It now feels pretty much spot on.

The obvious thing would be to get hold of a set of RSV linkages, but the alternative would be to swap the spring out. If you need a place to order one from, then try http://www.dfaulknersprings.com/ . They're very good and very reasonable.

One thing with using the Falco linkages means that each turn of the ride height adjuster has a greater effect (i.e. raises the ride height more) than the RSV linkages, as the linkage ratio of the Falco parts is higher (I calculated about 3.9:1, I think). If you're maxed out on the RSV linkages that might be worth thinking about.