MWR HE Induction Kit

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FalcoPete · #1 Post by **FalcoPete** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:08 pm

Have given up trying to find a Renegade (or copy) induction kit so fitted a MWR HE kit (see images below). It was very simple to fit & seems a decent product. It uses the base of the original airbox & does away with the airbox cover. So hopefully, it should get rid of the lack of air volume problem. The technology is, that it supposedly removes any air turbulence around the air filter, allows 360 degree air feed, irrespective of bike speed or cross winds & ensures a greater volume & equal air feed to both cylinders. The MWR HE versions are reportedly being used by Michael Dunlop & the Honda TT Legends team to name but one.

Finally got to try out the MWR HE induction kit last Sunday & have found it very impressive. This was surprising, given already have a Power Commander III fitted with a custom map to go with Beowulf cans. The PCIII smoothed out a flat spot around 5,000 rpm, removed majority of the snatchiness low down in the rev range & now have a linear power delivery right throughput the rev range. This combo improved output from 118 bhp at the crank to 115 bhp at the wheel. This was done directly after a service by Griff. (Also have a 15/42 sprocket setup). There have been no other engine mods & 12,000 miles on the clock.

The MWR HE kit gave the Falco even smoother progression from closed throttle/low revs & appears to pile on the revs quicker too. When overtaking, I found that I could leave the bike in a taller gear (e.g. 4th rather than 3rd) & she pulled slightly stronger than before. It certainly seems to 'breath' better & the alleged technology of creating an even air pressure around the entire rim of the induction area seems to work & work well. It looks the d.b. too when you lift the petrol tank.

When I get the Falco serviced with Griff next time I will have a new custom map made, as recommended by MWR, & update this thread if anyone shows an interest.

Would I buy this piece of kit again - absolutely! as it seems to address the issue of the air box volume being too small & would probably have more of an impact to a Falco that does not have a PCIII &/or custom map. It looks a quality piece of kit & is just so easy to fit. Bought mine from the friendly people at speedycom.co.uk (Part # MC010-97-HE) in Derby & got a small discount off the £159.99 RRP.

Hope this helps if you are struggling to find an alternative to a renegade, or renegade copy induction kit & personally think this looks a lot better.

Aladinsaneuk · #2 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:44 pm

Thanks Pete ;)

gazzo · #3 Post by **gazzo** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:00 pm

Hi Pete
I bought the same as you a little while ago from Roar factory.
http://www.roarfactory.co.uk/mwr-high-e ... -all-years
I must admit your totally correct in what your saying about the smoothness and seems to pick up quicker.
I love the induction roar as well when you twist the throttle right back.
Let me know when you have a new map done, if there is any difference.
I have a Forza Aprilia chip and a PC III but still to have a custom map done, so running it flat at the moment.

D-Rider · #4 Post by **D-Rider** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:17 pm

I liked the look of these and would have gone for one myself - but as I had a genuine Renegade kit lying around it was hard to justify the outlay so finally got on and fitted the Renegade.

The Renegade has given the effects you describe with the MWR but I thiink the MWR is better engineered.

Oh yes - Hi and welcome to Ridersite, FalcoPete

#5 Post by **mangocrazy** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:54 am

Are there effectively two air filters in the MWR system - i.e. the 'normal' one that rises through the front of the airbox, plus an additional filter in the 'roof' of the airbox?

In which case you'll be gitting a mix of cool(ish) air from the snorkels, plus warmer air that has passed by the tank? Is my understanding correct.

In which case if the engine is getting more air, I can see how it improves overall performance. And from what you say, you also get some (if not all) of the intake roar that a Renegade gives you (this may or may not be regarded as a good thing, by the way).

zoidberg · #6 Post by **zoidberg** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:29 am

I prefer tgat design to any open airbox you can currently buy.

Its on my ever growing list of mods.

#7 Post by **mangocrazy** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:33 am

zoidberg wrote:I prefer that design to any open airbox you can currently buy.

I agree. I've never been entirely comfortable with the Evo type airbox and its reliance on a rubber seal, and I'm a bit unsure about the Renegade as well.

But this one looks properly thought through and designed.

D-Rider · #8 Post by **D-Rider** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:02 pm

My view too - in fact it is pretty close to what I had been considering as a "home made" kit.

If I didn't have a renegade I'd be buying one.

BTW the manufacturer says it's quieter than the other "performance" air kits

zoidberg · #9 Post by **zoidberg** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:13 pm

Are those filters oiled?

gazzo · #10 Post by **gazzo** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:24 pm

mangocrazy
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:54 am Post subject:
Are there effectively two air filters in the MWR system - i.e. the 'normal' one that rises through the front of the airbox, plus an additional filter in the 'roof' of the airbox?

In which case you'll be gitting a mix of cool(ish) air from the snorkels, plus warmer air that has passed by the tank? Is my understanding correct.

In which case if the engine is getting more air, I can see how it improves overall performance. And from what you say, you also get some (if not all) of the intake roar that a Renegade gives you (this may or may not be regarded as a good thing, by the way).

Yes your quite Mango there is two filters that Pete has shown in his pics, so
you have cold air from the snorkels (although not this week

) and warm air from the engine.

zoidberg
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:13 pm Post subject:
Are those filters oiled?

Yes the filters are oiled and they are recommended to be oiled once a year or twice if using on the track

FalcoPete · #11 Post by **FalcoPete** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:01 pm

zoidberg wrote:Are those filters oiled?

Yes they are pre-oiled & they also offer their own cleaning fluid & oil products which they (obviously) recommend.

FalcoPete · #12 Post by **FalcoPete** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:04 pm

In which case if the engine is getting more air, I can see how it improves overall performance. And from what you say, you also get some (if not all) of the intake roar that a Renegade gives you (this may or may not be regarded as a good thing, by the way).

Yes your quite Mango there is two filters that Pete has shown in his pics, so you have cold air from the snorkels (although not this week ) and warm air from the engine.

Because of the design there is also an even pressure around the total rim surface area too. So, whether you're doing 30 or 130 mph, the feed is constant & isn't affected by crosswinds either.

FalcoPete · #13 Post by **FalcoPete** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:19 pm

D-Rider wrote:My view too - in fact it is pretty close to what I had been considering as a "home made" kit.

If I didn't have a renegade I'd be buying one.

BTW the manufacturer says it's quieter than the other "performance" air kits

You're both right & wrong - allow me to explain. In one area it says it is quieter by 8 db. There is a filter for the Aprilias that is not the HE kit & replaces the standard filter. These are the ones that are 8db quieter.

The HE kit however has a comment at the bottom of the installed HE filter image http://www.racingairfilters.eu/?ids=kop3/sub1. It states "Caution: Remapping the ECU or the Fuel Control Unit is highly recommended. Because this is a open airbox filter the inletnoise with increase a lot. I would agree that the induction roar is "fruitier"

FalcoPete · #14 Post by **FalcoPete** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:28 pm

gazzo wrote:Hi Pete
I bought the same as you a little while ago from Roar factory.
http://www.roarfactory.co.uk/mwr-high-e ... -all-years
I must admit your totally correct in what your saying about the smoothness and seems to pick up quicker.
I love the induction roar as well when you twist the throttle right back.
Let me know when you have a new map done, if there is any difference.
I have a Forza Aprilia chip and a PC III but still to have a custom map done, so running it flat at the moment.

No problems...once I have the new map printout I will post it here alongside my current one (showing 115bhp at the wheel).

FalcoPete · #15 Post by **FalcoPete** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:35 pm

gazzo wrote:Hi Pete
I bought the same as you a little while ago from Roar factory.
http://www.roarfactory.co.uk/mwr-high-e ... -all-years
I must admit your totally correct in what your saying about the smoothness and seems to pick up quicker.
I love the induction roar as well when you twist the throttle right back.
Let me know when you have a new map done, if there is any difference.
I have a Forza Aprilia chip and a PC III but still to have a custom map done, so running it flat at the moment.

If you're interested in trying my PCIII map (std air filter, beowulf cans) let me know as the PCIII (USB version) can hold 2 maps to see if you get any improvement. It should be better than your stock one, which I found for my bike was way off, especially in the low to mid range. Stopped my occasional cutting out at traffic light etc too. Just PM me with your email address & I'll send it to you. (Will be over the weekend as the bike is in a 24hr secure lockup.