Where's my post??

[TwinNut]

[Samray]

Dare I point out that the thread in question in its four posts managed to mention 1 falco, 2 milles and a gay bike?

All very falco specific.

[Kwackerz]

So far TN, you have been the only person with a complaint.

As for what it proves or highlights, It simply highlights the fact that people have simply not been administered on the old forum as it was intended and as such havent changed their ways when they came over.

Sab's question was indirectly asking 'well why havent you moved these then?' when some had been moved and others not.

So why have you not spoken out previously (since the start of the new ARS) when ive moved posts? Or is it because ive simply started highlighting the fact with 'Moved:' being left on the forum the threads have been removed from? I did that deliberately to invoke discussion as it happens.

Maybe I should just sack the whole thing, not bother, not take any form of interest in the Site and just let it go to ratshit again?

[paddyz1]

I have to say I hardly visit the other subforums and most of my questions are directed at fellow falconeers. Without trying to step on anyones toes, the first place I would post or look for something is the falco forum, be it technical or not. If it was not there then it is not there and I would look on another site. Only recently have I started to look at the other posts but that is only because I hit the link 'veiw post since last visit'

[Kwackerz]

Paddy, How do you search the forum - Do you use the search facility or go back over the pages looking for info?

The point I suppose I am trying to make (if there is one) is that with all tech posts in a certain location, it makes for easier searching 'by hand'. It could be that the info on a steering damper that you actually need may be (if I let the site stay in such a way) in the RSV section (although unlikely at the moment as there is little in the way of RSV owners actively posting there) and not in the Falco section. Maybe it's a question about the rebuilding of one. An RSV owner may have done this in great detail in a post and you'd have missed it

If you use the search facility for say searching for steering damper info, putting Steering and Damper into the search box and refining the search to the category of Aprilia RiderSite, then clicking Search, brings up less than half a page of results. That RSV rebuild (fictional) that i mentioned above would have shown up straight away.

It's all good debate.

[sabestian]

What have I done?!?!

Everyone thinks that what I said proves their point I shall remain an enigma.

Seriously, I'm thinking roughly along Paddy's lines. Technical subforum seems to me a bit artificial additive but I can see mod's point. It just doesn't seem to be natural to think: is my question a bit on a technical side or more Falco related? Am I more hungry or brunette? If you catch my drift

[TwinNut]

[HowardQ]

Finding this a bit difficult, I am really appreciative of what Kwacks has done and is still doing, but TwinNut also has a serious point. On the old site, everything tended to go through the Falco forum and that is always what I look at first on the new site. If we think about it, most of what we talk about is technical, probably boringly so to some people, as things keep coming back over and over, like rear shocks, side stand improvements etc., etc.. Similar with meetings, like the one we had at Newark. Just started as a number of threads coming together then me and a few others in the local (ish) area, talking about meeting up, then moved on from there in a general chat. Not sure it would have been the same if one of us had just put up a how about a meet at Newark on the "Ride Out" forum?
Then again it would be easier to find things if they all went in tidy places.
Newbys often come along and ask a technical question in the Falco forum, possibly about the side stand or rear shock and we go through it again, but this breaks the ice, brings them in and other questions come along and we end up on a different thread. Like a normal conversation with a new bloke joining a group of biking mates, where all sorts of things crop up.
If the newby just went to the technical section got all the answers and logged off would it be the same?
From Kwack's point of view, any IT bloke likes to keep things tidy and in their place, it's how computers work best, (I know I've worked with them for 40 years!). Then again, If you pushed me now, I'd probably side with TwinNut and keep it random, that's what I like about it, but certainly would not want to upset Kwacks, as he has helped so much, and we have to give an Administrator some freedom!
So where do we go from here? Certainly shouldn't be arguing about it on here. Need to let everybody have their say and maybe put it to a vote.
But nobody needs to feel they have lost, whichever way it goes.
Anyway, that's me done, what does everybody else think?

[D-Rider]

OMG - Nice day - been working in the garden and fixing up my son's CB125 (sorry non-aprilia / non-falco / wrong forum ...), then out for a while this evening - get back in and all hell's broken loose!

I can see this one from a couple of different perspectives:

The Poster:

• When I post, I'm usually coming from a Falco background (it happened to my Falco, how do I fix this problem on my Falco, this is where I've been on my Falco, etc) and without necessarily thinking about it will post in the Falco forum ..... 'cos it's "home".
  
  Sometimes I may think about it a bit more and sometimes have the opinion that something might be better posted in another sub-forum .... but might decide against it as I know people will look at the Falco forum but am unsure they'll drop in on one of the lesser used forums.

The General User / F-9 and the Tuono massive / The searcher:

• When generally browsing or searching for info (as has already been said) it would be far easier to find stuff if it were more logically filed in the first place.
  If we are serious about being the Aprilia RiderSite rather than the Falco RiderSite, we should take a less parochial approach and try to put stuff of a more universal nature in the appropriate place - every once in a while that may mean posting on the Ridersite (without the Aprilia bit at the front).

The moderator:

• To be honest, it's often not so easy to decide whether threads should be moved or whether they are appropriate where they have been posted.
  In truth, I've probably taken a more relaxed approach than perhaps I should have done which has probably perpetuated this expectation that there's no downside to chucking everything in the Falco forum.
  In truth, we would probably benefit by making better use of the various sub-forums ..... it's just a case of getting used to visiting more than the Falco forum.

So what do I suggest:

• I think Kwackers is right - we should make use of the order that is there in this site - it should make things better.
  Therefore, let's all just pause to think about where to post before posting.
  If it is a particularly important post that you want Falco riders to see, then also post up in the Falco forum - but just make this a link to the main thread (I've done this myself on occasions). Once we get used to things, these 'pointer posts' won't be so necessary.
  
  I guess we really ought to try to tidy things up a bit - which will mean us mods doing something rather than ignoring pleas to do a bit of housekeeping.
  If I think something of importance may get lost from posters, I'll try to remember to let you know where it's gone .... but I don't have the time to do that for every thread (and we don't want to get lost in a sea of "this thread has been moved to ....." threads!)
  
  Finally, sometimes it will be a bit of a grey area as to whether a thread should move or stay - and two different people may decide differently. I'll try to exercise judgement as best I can with a tendency to leave if in doubt.
  
  ..... mind you I'm quite busy at present so don't expect to see too much moving all of a sudden.

[HisNibbs]

With due respect to those who take the trouble to keep things in order, I don't think a question which if I recall correctly was loosley "what steering damper can I fit to my Falco", is technical or of any relevence to any body other than other Falco riders, like myself thinking of fitting a steering damper.



I'll also add that if the moderators split things up too much then users may loose track and possibly interest.


I suppose that once a topic has been dormant for a week or so it could be moved and ordered to facilitate searches, without spoiling things.

[sabestian]

First of all it's not hell, D-Rider, we call it 'a discussion' ;)

The Mods are here to keep the place together and great respect for doing that :)

After all we all try to make this place as 'homey' as possible, as this IS our home when it comes to our bikes, right?

For me the problem is how to decide if the issue is technical enough... Or general enough... I mean where's the borderline? Oh yes, it's up to the Mods to decide!

The second problem I have is that technical subforum is not Falco specific. It's just a matter of an approach - if to put everything Falco related (technical or not) to Falco forum or to put everything technical (Falco related or not) to technical forum?

I guess this may be just an academic discussion - if we start using 'technical' properly it'll be 'Falco and two Tuonos technical'...

On a less serious note, if Mods want to keep things tidy AND TRUE, perhaps they should rename the forum from 'Aprilia' to 'Falco'? We all know the truth.

EDIT: just one last thing. We all can have our opinions but it's the Mods who run things here! Amen.

[Gio]

Nice read

I love these hot under the collar threads, but (and correct me if I'm wrong) whats the difference between a Falco, Tuono, and RSV, except the shape and the adding or taking away of a few BHP.

Mostly the gearbox, engine, wheels, wiring, lighting is pretty standard across the range, so shouldn't tech bits be in the Aprilia Tech section?

[TwinNut]

[D-Rider]

First of all it's not hell, D-Rider, we call it 'a discussion' ;)

Hi Sab - just a figure of speech - It's not often we get a thread expanding so rapidly or with reasonably strong differing oppinions.

D-R, it's not often we disagree but on this we do.

Not entirely sure we are that far apart on this TN. I'm not suggesting that we shift all Falco Technical stuff to the Technical forum. If it's Falco &
Technical, it could exist in either - the precise subject and way the thread develops may give a clue as to the most appropriate place but in most circumstances I'd choose to leave these where the poster put them in the first place as both are defendable options.
After all, look at my own post history - not really any different to any one elses. Take RiderPower - equally appropriate to all Aprilias and even non-Aprilias - yet I stuck it in the Falco forum. Now that was partly due to my bias towards "bigging-up" Falcos but also a bit of a lack of forethought.
But Kwackerz does have a point. If we think about things a bit more we can maybe use the forum more effectively.
Without losing our strong Falco identity, we could sometimes play a better role in strengthening the whole Ridersite - who, let's face it, have been good enough to host us in our hour of need.
I'm not saying post everything outside the Falco forum but with a bit of thought we may be able to do things a bit better than we do now.

You made a good point when you said:

Besides, what's the search facility for if not searching? You can filter it and find things pretty easily no matter where they are 'filed'

So even if you post them beyond the "Safe Zone" of the Falco forum you'll not loose them as the Search will hunt them down.

At the risk of shooting myself in the foot, I've had a quick look at the old forum as I'm pretty sure we were aware of what sub-forums would be provided for us over here - but with only a quick look I didn't find it.

Whilst searching I did pick up this post by Pierre:

Well theres only 3 forums needed for us,

1) aprilia falco
2) aprilia scooters
3) other aprilias that may or may not have 1000cc v twins fitted into what may or may not be be inferior bikes and that may or may not be lower down the ranking to aprilia scooters, just above poop.

yea, i think that covers it.

.... and I guess, in practice, that's what we're using. I'm happy to listen to what people want and if we really only want to use a small subset of Aprilia forums, then that is an option. However I would still encourage everyone to think about the pros and cons of this and particularly to post beyond the Aprilia bit when apropriate.

[Falcoholic]

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