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Getting a bit annoyed at the amount of old bill out to spoil the fun. Every bloody corner I turn there's one there waiting. Do these tossers have nothing better to do? Traffic cop.. the lowest form of life! Even non-traffic hate um.. They call them the 'black rats' as they have a reputation of turning on their own. Murgh!

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Yeh but at least you can see 'em and recognise them.
Round my routes they are running unmarked bikes, like Blackbirds and Busas. Even seen one on a Kwack ZX10R, (in bloody green as well).
Always had Q cars like Scoobies, Evos, Audi S4s, BMW M130s etc. that pretend to play initially.

on those useless kasdfladgfaf came home the other day massive queue mainly caused by the 3 cars attending a straight forward rear end shunt that was off the side of the road ... did one of the 6 of them do anything other than look at their pretty blue lights like maybe clear the glass and debris ... don't be silly

M6 btonight similar scenario most of the motorway at a crawl due to them being unable to move a car 10 feet from the hard shoulder to the mioddle lane where they could at least justify stopping everything gnasshhh

Willopotomas wrote:[rant]

Getting a bit annoyed at the amount of old bill out to spoil the fun. Every bloody corner I turn there's one there waiting. Do these tossers have nothing better to do? Traffic cop.. the lowest form of life! Even non-traffic hate um.. They call them the 'black rats' as they have a reputation of turning on their own. Murgh!

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But I bet if you were involved in a bad crash, you would welcome seeing them turn up to deal with it.

Black Rats are the Met, so don't tar us all (serving or retired) with the same brush unless you know what you are talking about and understand the job they actually do!!!!!!!!!!

are policemen / people /women well at least one of them LOL but then he is old school at 84 years old and to be fair I suppose it is like most things there are good and bad everywhere. That said I am still waiting 10 years from having two caravans stolen, not mine luckily, and 12 years from having the house broken into for them to turn up or maybe show a sign of doing something.

Still at least they turned up to see my dad when he got broken into just as well really because that way they were able to threaten to arrest him for having a golf club in a potentially dangerouse place.

would moan mor ebut I have to go and fill in the NIP for my 3 points, no awareness course offer included unlike for the car driver that took me off a few years ago who they decided not to prosecute but offer a course to instead,, as like most people I don't have the inclination to go to court to have it doubled

did one of the 6 of them do anything other than look at their pretty blue lights like maybe clear the glass and debris ... don't be silly

I believe all collisions are initially treated as a crime scene with thorough investigations taking place until it's decided to be classed otherwise? If my nearest and dearest was injured or killed in a pile-up, that's the way I'd want it and I wouldn't give a toss about anyone whining 'cos they were stuck in traffic because of it.

What I would like to see however, is every single person that gets inconvenienced by these incidents getting compensation from the twats that caused them. If the insurance companies had to fork out a few hundred thousand quid each time some prick crashed because they were tailgating, or texting, or playing with the radio or rolling a fag, they'd soon start pricing these 'tards off the road with massive premiums, leaving more room for the rest of us.

Nooj wrote:

did one of the 6 of them do anything other than look at their pretty blue lights like maybe clear the glass and debris ... don't be silly

I believe all collisions are initially treated as a crime scene with thorough investigations taking place until it's decided to be classed otherwise? If my nearest and dearest was injured or killed in a pile-up, that's the way I'd want it and I wouldn't give a toss about anyone whining 'cos they were stuck in traffic because of it.

What I would like to see however, is every single person that gets inconvenienced by these incidents getting compensation from the twats that caused them. If the insurance companies had to fork out a few hundred thousand quid each time some prick crashed because they were tailgating, or texting, or playing with the radio or rolling a fag, they'd soon start pricing these 'tards off the road with massive premiums, leaving more room for the rest of us.

Well said!!!!





Gary

Nooj wrote:

did one of the 6 of them do anything other than look at their pretty blue lights like maybe clear the glass and debris ... don't be silly

I believe all collisions are initially treated as a crime scene with thorough investigations taking place until it's decided to be classed otherwise?

I want to live in your part of the world Here it consists of sometimes turning up making sure details are exchanged and if necessary breathalysing said gimp.

It didn't inconvenience me at all until I was faced with the glass etc over the road and I am not sure whetehr they were investigating the contents of their diaries or their fag packets but fairly sure that they weren't investigating any mad smash just a simple rear ender. with both vehicles safely off the road

I suppose the way I look at it is instead of having them standing around after the event or sitting in their cars at the roadside I would have them taking more preventative measures than ones after the evnt so that my nearest and dearest were less likely to be in said accident YMMV

I think I am just nostalgic for the days when they were far mor einvolved and respected but they seemed to earn that respect a lot more I wonder if that is partly because it was more vocational.

flatlander wrote:I wonder if that is partly because it was more vocational.

or because they had more time to police rather than play puppets to politicians.

Nooj wrote:

did one of the 6 of them do anything other than look at their pretty blue lights like maybe clear the glass and debris ... don't be silly

I believe all collisions are initially treated as a crime scene with thorough investigations taking place until it's decided to be classed otherwise?

Dream on ..... perhaps if they had, they might have bothered to take at least the details of one witness from the crowd that saw me being knocked off - while I sat in the ambulance with my broken ribs ...

Then trying to get the 3rd party's details from them took days. Not saying they are all a waste of space - clearly that wouldn't be true - but those I came across when I needed them were ........

I am 100 % certain there are some good guys out there working for the police and like a lot of us in our own jobs those that are keen and motivated must get frustrated with what goes on.
That said they have the choice like the rest of us to do the job the best they can even if they are having a bad day but I think we all tend to judge based on experience and mine isn't good. So I may be biased I can live with that but it is probably at least 10-20 years since I had any contact with what I would call a good 'un. Doesn't mean that they're nor out there just that I don't seem to come across them

I can imagine that to some extent they feel that there hands are tied but policing in this country,like many others, is done by consensus and once the consensus is that they are a waste if space for whatever reason it is difficult to see how individual good 'uns can do much to hold back the tide and win back respect for themselves and the law

I would still like to know,as an aside, why my partner and 3 of her girlfriends were stopped on the way to the airport and one of them taken on her own to the police car for a "chat"

I probably have similar views to the rest of you, there are good and bad, but ...........................
The bad seems to be much more in focus most of the time, so it is very difficult to see the other side.
Too much politics and point scoring.
If I really want a more accurate and considered view, I go and spend an afternoon with my retired cousin at his lovely bungallow in Derbyshire.
He was a career copper all his life, started as a Plod, and moved on. In my late teens he was the person who taught me how to drive properly, following the training he had received, I still use it today.
He moved on from driving a pursuit car to CID, then through the ranks until he headed up a division in South Yorks Police and finally ended up as an Assistant Chief Constable before retiring.
He will talk to you all afternoon, if you want to listen, about how much things have changed and how he would never want to be a policeman today, never mind an ACC. He just believes that all the good work that was done, getting local policemen back on the beat and known to their local communities and gaining their respect has all been wasted.
He realises he is just an "old fart" and his thoughts about too much feckin paperwork and not enough dealing with real policing and people can never happen again, but like many people he wishes it could.
I could go on for a long time repeating his thoughts, but, like him, I just find it very sad that things have gone this way.

TC wrote: But I bet if you were involved in a bad crash, you would welcome seeing them turn up to deal with it.

Black Rats are the Met, so don't tar us all (serving or retired) with the same brush unless you know what you are talking about and understand the job they actually do!!!!!!!!!!

I was, and I did.. But didn't mean to say they did a good job. The arsehole that hit me (jumped a red light) got away scott free.. So yeh, worth every penny

As for the 'black rats' comment. Ok, maybe that was a bit of a broad statement, but if even a mere mortal such as myself thinks that, then what sort of impression do traffic cops paint on the general population?

Some of the most appalling driving I see is done by the police. Stuff that would see most of us pulled for dangerous driving, driving without due care and always have a lack of consideration for other road users. I was pulled one afternoon because I didn't give way to a police car when the right of way was mine (I was on a roundabout as he tried to enter). No blues, no sirens, so to me it was just another car using the road like everyone else. For some reason he seemed to think I should give way out of some form of respect for the police. After an exchange of opinion I asked why he thought I should show him any more respect than a normal road user, without blues & twos. He couldn't answer. Asked if I was being booked for anything as he was wasting my time, he said no, so I left him standing there looking bemused. Was one of my more finer moments

The point of this thread was to vent some frustration at the "guilty until proven otherwise" bullshit we now have. It's not just the roads, it's everywhere. Roads is the worst of all as I pay a lot of money to be there.

(as a foot note, the chaps who pulled me a couple of months back were armed response and very down to earth, bloody nice blokes.. but then I suppose they don't just hand out guns to any old joey like they do in the USA..lol)

Willopotomas wrote:[rant]

Getting a bit annoyed at the amount of old bill out to spoil the fun. Every bloody corner I turn there's one there waiting. Do these tossers have nothing better to do? Traffic cop.. the lowest form of life! Even non-traffic hate um.. They call them the 'black rats' as they have a reputation of turning on their own. Murgh!

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Raise your vision, improve your observation skills and behave.

Simples.

I can understand people's frustration with the police - but I also must add a few thoughts....

I have a lot of time and respect for the police - as a part of my nursing career, I have had, on occassions, had to be with them during some fairly horrendous times - breaking bad news, picking up the pieces etc - and that is a part of their role that they do incredibly well - I am not certain if i could do parts of it

BUT
I also have two different forces in my area - Norfolk and Suffolk.
In my own experience, I have a lot of time for norfolk - generally speaking they police with respect and sensitivity - and a lot of common sense.
The standard bobby in suffolk is the same in many ways - but suffolk traffic are, in my opinion, arseholes driven by targets - around lowestoft a PC911 - appropriate number I think, is regarded as being a fine example of their attitude - I know for a fact that at least 7 specific complaints about that officers attitude have been made inside the last two years - not all by bikers either - he just wants to hand out on the spot fines etc as much as he can.
(And soft targets always - he carries a tape measure for measuring bike number plates and indicator gaps and so on - as he works the same patch he would gain a lot more respect if he policed sensitively!)

I guess that is the point - Suffolk Police appear, to the layman, to be target driven - motorists are merely an income stream to be reguarly milked - and that approach will always antagonise the public