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According to a report out today Britain is a bad place for kids to live. Why?

If Britain is such a bad place to live why do so many people immigrate here?

Polls and surveys are fundamentally flawed. They are easily tweaked to give the result a person wants to see and take a huge leap of faith in human nature i.e. you have to believe that people will tell the truth [yeah right]

I wish people would start looking on the positive rather than this negative society we seem to have developed.

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According to a report out today Britain is a bad place for kids to live. Why?

If Britain is such a bad place to live why do so many people immigrate here?

Polls and surveys are fundamentally flawed. They are easily tweaked to give the result a person wants to see and take a huge leap of faith in human nature i.e. you have to believe that people will tell the truth [yeah right]

I wish people would start looking on the positive rather than this negative society we seem to have developed.

I'd say the reason this country is bad, is because of the stupidities that successive governments have foisted on us. 24 hour binge drinking, drugs, violent crime etc

Case in point is single parent families, they get support whereas married people don't, and look who foots the bill. IMO single parents shouldn't get state aid, just cos they f*cked up.
Other things that spring to mind are social services (waste of space, work shy prats), green environmentalists (surprising the number of them who drive the most polluting vehicles on the road).

Then there's the adoration of arseholes like Kate Moss, who are nothing to be proud of.

Dumbing down of the school curriculum.

Then of course we are no longer allowed to call a spade a spade, cos we might hurt their feelings.

spot on gio, yesterday my 16 year son was talking to his mates at break and called his irish maths teacher a paddy,(to his mates) he was listened to by a teacher who took him to the head who gave him a right dressing down and told him he was a raceist. what a moron.

Gio wrote:
I'd say the reason this country is bad, is because of the stupidities that successive governments have foisted on us. 24 hour binge drinking, drugs, violent crime etc

Case in point is single parent families, they get support whereas married people don't, and look who foots the bill. IMO single parents shouldn't get state aid, just cos they f*cked up.
Other things that spring to mind are social services (waste of space, work shy prats), green environmentalists (surprising the number of them who drive the most polluting vehicles on the road).

Then there's the adoration of arseholes like Kate Moss, who are nothing to be proud of.

Dumbing down of the school curriculum.

Then of course we are no longer allowed to call a spade a spade, cos we might hurt their feelings.

Who says this country is bad? It has it's problems for sure but point me to a country that doesn't. I like to travel and there are plenty of places I want to go but, there isn't anywhere else I would want to live. The main problem with this country is many of the people who live in it. If it's really so bad then go find utopia somewhere else and leave the UK to those of us that want to live here. I get sick and tired of the whingers who sit on their arse complaining but do sod all about anything. I've worked in a few voluntary organisations over the years and had first hand experience of the armchair experts who think they have all the answers but aren't prepared to lift a finger to help. There is very little national pride in this country and we are well known for putting down anyone who succeeds (witness the vitriol aimed at the 14 year old who sailed the Atlantic). Sure, Politicians have a lot to answer for but they are not the root cause of the problems, we are! We all bear some civic responsibility - the country is the product of it's people and you only have to take a look around any town, country park or motorway to see the amount of rubbish that people seem to think should be deposited anywhere but a bin or taken home to go in the rubbish sack.
The welfare state was put in place for very sound and responsible reasons - the problem with it is not the system itself, it's the thieving, grabbing, people OF THIS COUNTRY who abuse it and expect to get something for nothing.
Binge drinking, violent crime, drugs etc are not a new phenomenon, they've been with us since man discovered them and they are certainly NOT the product of government - they are the product of people. No one forces anyone to drink until they are incabable of standing - it's a free choice and when drinking hours were more restrictive, people complained about the 'Nanny state' ruling our lives - you can't have it both ways.
And as for single parents, well of course, they are the root cause of all our problems as everyone knows (Hitler used a similar rhetoric against the Jews) Who says married people don't get support with children - they receive child allowance, just the same as single parents. What single parents also often get is extra funding because they are on a low (or no) income - but so do many married couples. Has a single parent 'f*cked up' because their partner has done a runner or even worse, been killed in, maybe, a bike accident? Yes, I am certain there are single parents scrounging off the system, along with married parents, unmarried couples, single people and probably cats and dogs too for all I know. The point is, they will get away with it as long as everyone turns a blind eye to it. If you know any, turn them in.
And in case anyone should think I'm a pc wooly minded liberal, I'm not. Anyone who comes to live here is priveleged and if they break the rules then they should be sent back home - no questions, no excuses. And, in England at least, English is the national language, if you can't read it LEARN it, do not expect signs to be written in every language known to man.

I am one of the above-mentioned immigrants, and without going into a long story, it will take a lot to get me to move away from this country. There are problems, no one will say there are not - but I love it here compared to my homeland.

tweaker i agree with what your saying and your last four lines are bang on.but rules are being broken and there not being sent back, languages are still being writen in every language known to man,and yes i love this country with a passion.

If Britain is such a bad place to live why do so many people immigrate here?

They come from countries worse than here. However you view this cuntry there are plenty worse. What we are not seeing are floods of immigrants from those countries judged in this latest report to be fareing better; such as most European countries I should imagine.

This business of upset/annoyance/disgust/hatred of ones own nation is tricky to judge for most as all we really know about is the one we live in. It's easy to slag off England and dream of living in France/Spain/USA/wherever but until you up sticks and actually go live there you won't be fully aware of your dream country's drawbacks.

Well that's what I reckon anyway.

Having said that, if I was offered a home plus job etc in France I'd be off

Very well put Tweaker.


I also travel quite a bit with work and see some lovely places .... but this is my home .... I consider myself very lucky to have been born here and not have to fight to live here.
As for people that have moved here, the overwhelming majority are good, honest, hardworking folk that we should be glad to have amongst us (not so sure about Syltiz though - he rides one of those anti-social motorcycles ).
I know a number of refugees that have escaped from terrible situations and are building new lives here - as far as I'm concerned, glad they're here and glad they've become friends.

Yes, of course you get the minority of undesirables along with the good ... but that's the case in the population as a whole.

BTW, Syltiz, Where are you from ?

There's nothing wrong with the UK, there are however huge problems with some of the people who live within it.

Solution? Havent got one.

Why react so strongly to someone telling us what we already know? We have littered city centres populated on a weekend night by binge drinking fighting yobs, and we export the same yobs to Spain every summer. We have the highest rate of teen pregnancy in Europe because we have the lowest morals in Europe. And increasingly our kids are brought up by parents or parent who themselves dont know how to behave. Yobs breed yobs.

Which of course is why we have the highest rate in Europe of people wanting to emigrate. But probably not why we have the highest rate oif drug addiction in Europe.

Much of it is related to the buy now pay later society we have. With the highest level of personal debt in Europe (something like half of all European credit card debt is British) we have two parent families with two parents working to keep up a style of life they cant really afford at the expense of neglected kids. Combine that with the problem of large numbers of unmarried mothers struggling to bring up their offspring and you can see whats happening to our kids. Neglect.

It was a strict if not hypocritical protestant morality and work ethic that made Britain great in the 19th century combined with a great value placed on education and self improvement. Its equally a lack of this work ethic and a decline into a bachanalian orgy of consumption that is bringing us down. Doesnt seem likely with the present level of propserity does it - but look at whats happening to industry, to our once great British companies and to our balance of payments.

It is all part of the same pattern of decline.

Bl y h..l ! I've out Gio'd Gio!

Well you will get my vote Tweaker when are you standing

I have a 16 year old daughter. Her real mother f--ked off when she was 18 months old leaving me to bring up carla. I was a single dad for five years, no job and no prospects. Eventually I got the chance of a job (with money I could live on) so I took it. Without the help of parents and sisters I could not have took the job.

I believe I dona a good job of bringing up my daughter. She never litters, shows respect to others and is a genuine caring young woman who has got herself an apprentiship.

Some of us single parents are actually doing a good job. Also I dont think I was scrounging because I had no choice. The best thing that happened to ma and my daughter was her mother leaving.

I hated being on income support.

D-Rider wrote:
BTW, Syltiz, Where are you from ?

South Africa. But I must just point out that I pay my taxes and NI etc... and I do not make any claims to public funds. I also have not put a Brit out of a job as I work for myself.

Problems in SA make the UK's problems seem small by comparison.

I in no way condone or support the South African Apartheid past (although I am aware I profited from it indirectly)... with that out the way, here are some of the problems an average South African faces:
- Quota systems forcing companies to retrench/avoid hiring white males in favour of previously disadvantaged groups,
- Murder rate second only to Columbia,
- A rape every 2-3 minutes!,
- Car-jackings (I cant remember the stat but its a huge problem)
- around 40% unemployment.

Of my honors year university class, more than half have immigrated to places like Australia, Amercia and the UK... I am lucky enough to have an Italian passport as my mother was born in Italy (many Europeans moved to SA in its hey-day) and I could settle here.. but I have many friends who would leave but cannot get into a 1st-world country. I am lucky my degrees are internationally recognised, students studying what I studied now face a harder time as standards have slipped at tertiary education level... and when that slips the fight towards becoming 1st-world is lost.

The UK has offered me safety and security, and value for my skills. I can only be greatful. Does it feel like home? No... the people are different and the teenagers are out of control (a generalisation - sorry if you have a teenager/s that is/are respectful and well-behaved), but I can maintain a decent standard of living and I dont have to fear for my life and that of my loved-ones.