Anyone from the Prison service who may be able to assist me?

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TC · #1 Post by TC » Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:14 pm

I am currently dealing with a case where our client served time in Borstal between 1960 and 1963.

I am trying to find documentary evidence or some way to confirm that he actually did time in Borstal, and the court records have not helped me, and prison records usually have the 75 - 100 year disclosure rule.

Can anyone point me in the direction of where I may be able to prove that our client served his sentence?

I am happy to discuss the matter by way of PM or personal email where I can explain in more detail why I need this information, nothing dodgy I can asure you.

HowardQ · #2 Post by **HowardQ** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:26 pm

Things probably worked quite differently then, but if the Local Authority had a Youth Justices Section at that time, they may know. Problem here is that most Local Authorities have changed massively over the last 40 odd years!
However, even if Youth Justices existed at that time it would be a bit unlikely that they still had paper records, and there were no PCs then!
May just be worth a try in that area, but personally I think you will find it difficult to obtain this information if not possible via Court or Prison records,
Good Luck !

Aladinsaneuk · #3 Post by **Aladinsaneuk** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:54 pm

would the court records have it?

or press reports at the time?

Samray · #4 Post by **Samray** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:15 pm

Do Friends Reunited have a borstal section?

Falken · #5 Post by **Falken** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:04 pm

Maybe when they were released they went on probation, could the probation service help?

wavey · #6 Post by **wavey** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:17 pm

Samray wrote:Do Friends Reunited have a borstal section?

You should get 9 out of 10 for that one Samray

http://www.convictsreunited.com/

Dave

TC · #7 Post by TC » Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:04 am

Falken wrote:
Maybe when they were released they went on probation, could the probation service help?

We are talking about the early 60's, things were different then

Chabby · #8 Post by **Chabby** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:42 pm

If your client went to prison the details should still be on his PNC record.

He can apply to view any information held on him by use of the data protection act.

The locking of records won't apply as the information he seeks is about him.

lazarus · #9 Post by **lazarus** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:41 pm

Chabby wrote:If your client went to prison the details should still be on his PNC record.

He can apply to view any information held on him by use of the data protection act.

The locking of records won't apply as the information he seeks is about him.

Exactly. They can hardly refuse him information about himself based on data protection. Not rationally that is.

BikerGran · #10 Post by **BikerGran** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:47 pm

I'm not sure that even the PNC would carry details of sentence and how long was served, from that long ago, but I guess it's worth a try.

Gio · #11 Post by **Gio** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:32 am

I'd like to know why that information is needed has his past life caught up with him?

Is he being held up as a good example of what ails this country?

#12 Post by **Kwackerz** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:22 am

Nosy sod.

Gio · #13 Post by **Gio** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:22 pm

Kwackerz wrote: Nosy sod.

Indeed I am, For all I know it could be that arsehole Lord Bender of Rio.

TC · #14 Post by TC » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:21 am

Gio wrote:I'd like to know why that information is needed has his past life caught up with him?

Is he being held up as a good example of what ails this country?

The chap is suffering from asbestosis, and in order to maximise his claim we/I need to fill the gap in his employement history, and there may be a claim against his former custodians!

PNC records cannot be accessed even though we only need to prove his conviction, and he is incapable of applying under data protection as I have already explained.

The problem is that the prison service only hold records for 10 years after the date of release, but there must be some other way of being freely able to obtain the information I would have thought?

D-Rider · #15 Post by **D-Rider** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:05 pm

Gobsmacked

We are the most heavily snooped on and monitored society in the world, they'll have access to all your email, know where you are from the mobile phone you carry (now being enhanced with GPS) but nobody knows who was previously convicted of a crime a few years back.

Does this client know the names of anyone that spent time with him that could corroborate the fact he was there?
Maybe a longshot ....