Nice to know who your friends are isn't it?

All non-motorcycle related chat in here

Moderators: Aladinsaneuk, MartDude, D-Rider, Moderators

Post Reply
Message
Author
T.C.
SuperSport Racer
SuperSport Racer
Posts: 488
Joined: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:44 pm
Location: Reading, Berkshire

Nice to know who your friends are isn't it?

#1 Post by T.C. » Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:59 pm

I found this out today, which, had I known earlier may have affected my decision to retire from motorcycling which I mentioned a few weeks ago.

About 10 years ago, I developed a slow riding course primarily for use by the Royal Military Police when I did their conversion course from the small Armstrongs to the full blown Police spec Pan European. This element of the course was a great success, and I subdequently used it on various other rider training courses to help riders develop their slow riding skills which has always been one of the elements that seems to unsettle newer riders.

So, the course is established, the procedures and marking is in place, it needs minimnal equipment other than the bike and does not need much space.

Then as some of you may recall, I developed the City and Guilds riding course and instructor course on behalf of a so called buddy of mine who owns an accredited school (not motorcycling) but wanted me to develop a motorcycle aspect for training official riders of various bodies. No problem, I did this with the intention of sellingthe course to compete with other recognised training courses and overseas where the qualification is recognised and can be exchanged for an equivelant qualification in their own country or they can use it on its own.

But, he became lukewarm after many meetings, even though I got all the accreditation in place, although he did say that he had never received such a response to a course as he had for this one.

However, although he wanted me to run the course and act as a consultant, all the leg work had to be done at my expense :smt009

An area that I knew would work, was in placeslike Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia, who had already been looking for suitable courses in the UK which were accredited and they could use in their respective countries.

When I pointed out that our course would work for them, the reply I got was "Nah! It will never work!!"

Because partly of this attitude, I decided a few weeks ago to retire from instructing and then motorcycling altogether.

Guess what I found out today? This a so called buddy of mine, who knew that I had developed the course, has only won a contract for a weeks slow riding course in Singapore commencing next Monday!!!

He knew about the course before I made the decision to retire, and yet he has asked someone else to do it, who in fairness is bricking it, because there are 100 riders on TDM's and VFR Police spec bikes to be taught at the rate of 20 a day (which is not a problem), but he has no idea where to start, so he is trying to magic up some lesson notes before he departs on Saturday.

Now, the guy going out, I have no issues with, I have known him for many years, he is a good instructor (I trained him) and good luck to him, but this so called friend of mine who i have spoken to many times since he was awarded the contract, has not had the decency to tell me, and I have now missed out on an all expenses paid trip to Singapore as well as being paid over £200 per day. And he is staying in a top quality hotel BTW.

As I say, makes you wonder who your friends are?
It is better to arrive 30 seconds late in this world than 30 years early in the next

User avatar
D-Rider
Admin
Admin
Posts: 15560
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:09 pm
Location: Coventry

#2 Post by D-Rider » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:19 pm

.... with friends like that ......
:smt096


Your tale of woe did make me wonder about a few things:
  • 1) As you sorted out the course, do you actually own any intellectual property in it - i.e. does any copyright exist on the training itself or any materials you've produced (I don't know the answer but it could be worth your while investigating)

    2) Your "mate's" success in winning the contract in Singapore proves there is a market for these courses. You mention a lot of other potential places that this could be used .... so why don't you review your decision to chuck it all in, pitch your course where it may prove popular and go and rake up the income whilst enjoying yourself in various parts of the world?
.... just a couple of thoughts .............

:smt002

BTW ... I'm from Reading ... got sent to Coventry in the '80s and never escaped!

User avatar
Kwackerz
Admin
Admin
Posts: 8362
Joined: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:16 pm

#3 Post by Kwackerz » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:54 pm

That's bloody awful TC!

Bunch of robbing B****s*!!

I'd be spitting nails, really would. :smt013
Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly

User avatar
Samray
Double World Champion
Posts: 6234
Joined: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:36 pm
Location: Riding round with Sheene and Simoncelli

#4 Post by Samray » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:57 pm

I bet you'll smile when he fekks it up. :smt002

User avatar
Gio
Double World Champion
Posts: 6179
Joined: Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:28 pm
Location: Chertsey

#5 Post by Gio » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:29 pm

Samray wrote:I bet you'll smile when he fekks it up. :smt002
Why?

Surely that would have a negative aspect if at some stage TC said "sod it, I'll do it myself".

User avatar
snapdragon
SuperBike Racer
SuperBike Racer
Posts: 866
Joined: Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:01 pm

#6 Post by snapdragon » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:34 pm

the promise of money can do strange things to all sorts of relationships - I pity him, as he's lost the respect of a good friend
Snappy ~~X~X~{:>

User avatar
Myrkk
Clubman Racer
Clubman Racer
Posts: 313
Joined: Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:31 pm

#7 Post by Myrkk » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:26 pm

That's crap. Can't you change your mind? Sadly it seems a prevalent attitude amongst some the driving/riding training industry.

Post Reply