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#1 Post by Gio » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:54 am

Thangs for the sig :smt003

I like the bit on yours (real men ride twins) I've got a twin, but its not a 'prilia, do I qualify? :smt003
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#2 Post by Kwackerz » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:11 pm

No. It's not a V configuration. :smt002
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#3 Post by falcomunky » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:26 pm

Hmmmm.... Spose so.... :smt002
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#4 Post by D-Rider » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:07 pm

Kwackerz wrote:No. It's not a V configuration. :smt002
Now there's a point for academic debate.

The current Aprilias are 60 degree Vs
The old Morinis were 72 degree
The new Morini are 87 degree (WTF is all that about - they lost the 90 degree setsquare one day and just guessed?)
Ducatis and many other V twins (or L if you must insist Ducati) are 90 degree
The Vincents were 47 degree
Indians 42 degree
etc etc.

So, as we all know, there is no set angle for a V-twin ......
So where is the limiting point ?
Is Gio riding a 180 degree V twin?

Or, more likely, have I just completely lost the plot!
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#5 Post by Kwackerz » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:13 pm

It wouldnt be a 180 V Twin so much as a flat..twin.. so Yes, you have most definately lost the plot.

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#6 Post by Gio » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:04 pm

Kwackerz wrote:It wouldnt be a 180 V Twin so much as a flat..twin.. so Yes, you have most definately lost the plot.

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Haven't you heard of a 270° v twin?

BTW it qualifies as a boxer engine, but it has a balancer shaft so that when opening the throttle quickly you don't get torque steer :smt003

Which is why V's were used in the first place.
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#7 Post by Kwackerz » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:09 pm

What the hell has 270 degrees got to do with 180?

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...so that when opening the throttle quickly you don't get torque steer
...Which is why V's were used in the first place.

Proof? I see nothing mentioning it on wiki.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_engine

And this one states something entirely different... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-twin_engine check under longditudinal..
However, many motorcycle manufacturers have corrected for torque reaction by rotating the transmission input shafts and/or the balance and drive shafts opposite that of the crankshaft so that there is approximately equal mass turning clockwise and counterclockwise at any time, thereby physically canceling the effect.
it's got naff all to do with the config of V :smt012 :smt017 :smt019
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#8 Post by Gio » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:14 pm

Kwackerz wrote:What the hell has 270 degrees got to do with 180?

:smt014

...so that when opening the throttle quickly you don't get torque steer
...Which is why V's were used in the first place.

Proof?
Think of an upside down V90.

Read somewhere about v engines not causing torque steer problems like an inline or previous generations of boxer unit.
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#9 Post by Kwackerz » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:18 pm

Ive edited.. keep going... :smt002
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#10 Post by Gio » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:22 pm

Kwackerz wrote:Ive edited.. keep going... :smt002
Pass :smt003
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#11 Post by Gio » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:27 pm

BTW how long have balancer shafts been used on a v-twin?
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#12 Post by Gio » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:35 pm

Mmmm I rather like this as well.
normally a 180 degree V12
Lifted off http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_engi ... _V_engines
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#13 Post by Kwackerz » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:37 pm

Dunno. I know the RSV (and I assume therefore the Flakko) have double balancing shafts.. Ducatis use them..

Theyre not a new thing, if thats what you mean?

I still cannot see how a 180 degree piston config can be referred to as a 'V'.. Typical bloody mindedness from BMW..... :smt002
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#14 Post by Gio » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:55 pm

Kwackerz wrote:Dunno. I know the RSV (and I assume therefore the Flakko) have double balancing shafts.. Ducatis use them..

Theyre not a new thing, if thats what you mean?

I still cannot see how a 180 degree piston config can be referred to as a 'V'.. Typical bloody mindedness from BMW..... :smt002
Ferrari actually. :smt005 (or at least that type of vehicle, even though Wikipedia use Ferrari)
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#15 Post by Kwackerz » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:00 pm

BMW used the flat engine..180 degree V (FFS!!!) first, I believe.... :smt002 I blame them..


Only on RS could you go from 'Post Sig' to 'Config' in the space of a page...!!!

Quality :smt005 :smt005 AND You managed to squeeze a V12 in for good measure, Gio! Bravo! :smt003
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