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What are YOU?

#1 Post by Gio » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:58 am

OK I'll start, back in the days when I was coming up to voting age, I was a Liberal, darling Jeremy, who attracted controversy like opposite poles in a magnet. Sometime around 1978, after I'd been to New Zealand for a friends wedding, I changed to being a Tory and so I remained for the next 30 years.
I decided after the used car salesman "Call me Dave" became PM that I couldn't subscribe to any party, they are all full of lying scumbags, in it for themselves.
If there was a party called "The Pragmatists" or even better "The Cynics", thats who I'd vote for.
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Re: What are YOU?

#2 Post by Pussyhorse » Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:40 pm

Struggling to find a party I can identify with. Last few times voting was to pick the least shite.

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#3 Post by fatboy » Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:33 pm

This current pandemic has exposed and is still exposing some very serious failures of governance, arrogance and egotism,bullshit statistics, rash unrealistic promises are weapons too often used in politics.
My leanings are socialist, liberal and ecological.
Surely coalition is the practical accountable balanced way forward.
Anyone with hard right wing views needs to live in the third world for a few years.....
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Re: What are YOU?

#4 Post by RiceBurner » Fri May 01, 2020 2:23 pm

Pussyhorse wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:40 pm
Struggling to find a party I can identify with. Last few times voting was to pick the least shite.
This.

Modern Democratic Politics is far too many compromises heaped on top of each other until you get to the situation we have now where there's not a huge amount of difference between each party (as far their claims for what they might do go), and everything, and I mean EVERYTHING revolves around cash and the economy. Politics is no longer about people.

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Re: What are YOU?

#5 Post by fatboy » Fri May 01, 2020 4:25 pm

RiceBurner wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 2:23 pm
Pussyhorse wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:40 pm
Struggling to find a party I can identify with. Last few times voting was to pick the least shite.
This.

Modern Democratic Politics is far too many compromises heaped on top of each other until you get to the situation we have now where there's not a huge amount of difference between each party (as far their claims for what they might do go), and everything, and I mean EVERYTHING revolves around cash and the economy. Politics is no longer about people.
But politics needs to be about people, its people who elect politicians, elect them to serve us, the failings are immense.
As a populous we need to be more challenging to those who govern, I do not consider myself as anarchist or radical, just sick of being spoonfed bullshit
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Re: What are YOU?

#6 Post by mangocrazy » Fri May 01, 2020 6:44 pm

fatboy wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:33 pm
My leanings are socialist, liberal and ecological.
That sums up my views pretty well, also. I'm closest to Labour in my views, but was horrified when Blair decided to go to war in Iraq just to suck up to Dubya. We're still feeling the consequences of that decision over 15 years later.

But what we really need (in my opinion, obvs) is a workable form of Proportional Representation. That would effectively deliver the kind of coalition that Fatboy wants and would stop a party with only a little over 30% of the vote having a commanding majority.

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Re: What are YOU?

#7 Post by BikerGran » Fri May 01, 2020 8:45 pm

I'm a socialist. But we don't have any party, socialist or otherwise, with a strong leader, and we haven't had one for years. Unless one emerges I'm not sure whether I'd know who to vote for at a general election.
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Re: What are YOU?

#8 Post by Gio » Sat May 02, 2020 10:35 am

mangocrazy wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 6:44 pm
fatboy wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:33 pm
My leanings are socialist, liberal and ecological.
That sums up my views pretty well, also. I'm closest to Labour in my views, but was horrified when Blair decided to go to war in Iraq just to suck up to Dubya. We're still feeling the consequences of that decision over 15 years later.

But what we really need (in my opinion, obvs) is a workable form of Proportional Representation. That would effectively deliver the kind of coalition that Fatboy wants and would stop a party with only a little over 30% of the vote having a commanding majority.
Workable form of "Proportional Representation" sadly its an unknown, just take a look at the EU countries that have that system, its all infighting. The sort of representation that the Liberals want is the worst, whoever lies in 3rd place could sweep the board, Labour and the Tories want the system to stay as it is, as it suits them.
I think we need something different, a new party where the voters come 1st, a mix of all the best ideas from all the parties now.
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#9 Post by fatboy » Tue May 05, 2020 3:23 pm

I'm keeping an eye on Sir Kier Starmer,under his leadership I'm sure Labour will recapture a lot of ground when news focus finally shifts from pandemic to politics.
It is a massive irony that a vast amount of emergency measures put in place during this pandemic , are pretty much straight out of Labour's manifesto, austerity measures in healthcare and welfare have proven to be a very bad idea.
Private Finance Initatives in healthcare have also proved to be an excuse for private companies to raid the Treasury piggybank none of which is ethical, viable or sustainable.
This pandemic will change things forever , a great deal of failures will be scrutinised and as a 'civilised ' society we learn there is more to it than profit
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#10 Post by RiceBurner » Tue May 05, 2020 4:00 pm

fatboy wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 3:23 pm
I'm keeping an eye on Sir Kier Starmer,under his leadership I'm sure Labour will recapture a lot of ground when news focus finally shifts from pandemic to politics.
It is a massive irony that a vast amount of emergency measures put in place during this pandemic , are pretty much straight out of Labour's manifesto, austerity measures in healthcare and welfare have proven to be a very bad idea.
Private Finance Initatives in healthcare have also proved to be an excuse for private companies to raid the Treasury piggybank none of which is ethical, viable or sustainable.
This pandemic will change things forever , a great deal of failures will be scrutinised and as a 'civilised ' society we learn there is more to it than profit

Unfortunately, as long as people are distracted enough by other things to only pay attention to politics via the headlines and top-most paragraphs of most of the UK's mainstream media outlets, we'll keep getting the politics we deserve. :(

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Re: What are YOU?

#11 Post by snapdragon » Sun May 10, 2020 12:20 pm

I'm a who not a what

Found a lovely new word for exactly who I am quite recently
I'm a bikher
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Re: What are YOU?

#12 Post by fatboy » Sun May 10, 2020 3:25 pm

snapdragon wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 12:20 pm
I'm a who not a what

Found a lovely new word for exactly who I am quite recently
I'm a bikher
:smt023 like it !
You just chucked the soiled stinking political rug right out of the room, that deserves a beer!
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Re: What are YOU?

#13 Post by Gio » Mon May 11, 2020 10:45 am

fatboy wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 3:25 pm
snapdragon wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 12:20 pm
I'm a who not a what

Found a lovely new word for exactly who I am quite recently
I'm a bikher
:smt023 like it !
You just chucked the soiled stinking political rug right out of the room, that deserves a beer!
2nd'd. very astute :smt003
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Re: What are YOU?

#14 Post by yello » Mon May 11, 2020 12:22 pm

Labour left through and through. Voted for Corbyn's policy proposals last time out with both genuine excitement and a certainty that I was backing a loser. Still, nothing ventured etc. Last roll of the dice I suppose, a death knell even. The legacy of Blair's Labour will last for some time and the word 'socialism' is almost as anachronistic now in the UK as it is in the US. That's democracy, no complaints from me really, just perhaps a little sadness.

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