The EU referendum,

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fatboy · #1 Post by **fatboy** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:55 pm

Im not sure that everyone really has grasped what this means...
I was talking to one of the Italian guys at work and he told me he is going to vote leave so I asked him why ?
He said 'Well most of Europe isa fucked so we better off leaving'
I said ' Do you understand that if we leave the EU you will no longer have an automatic right to live and work here?
He replied ' No isa not true, my wife is English'
I said that will not make any difference, his reply stunned me..
He said ' It will because Italy part of EU so I will be fine'

randomsquid · #2 Post by **randomsquid** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:21 pm

I've polled the members of the household and they are leaning towards leave.

Hard to be sure with cats though. Probably vote spiders if it was an option.

Gio · #3 Post by **Gio** » Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:21 pm

Well I'm glad after 43 years of shit from our mp's and the idiots in Brussels we are out. Now we will be able to blame who we vote for and not the unelected garbage of the eu who we can't get rid of.

fatboy · #4 Post by **fatboy** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:35 pm

There will be no such thing as a free lunch, many vote leavers will be dissapionted to find the magic wand promised is really a lollypop stick with tinsel and glitter

Willopotomas · #5 Post by **Willopotomas** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:54 pm

fatboy wrote:There will be no such thing as a free lunch, many vote leavers will be dissapionted to find the magic wand promised is really a lollypop stick with tinsel and glitter

Only those who believed it all. I've been wanting an exit from the EU for the best part of 15 years. The only thing remotely new to me about the entire campaign was the word "Brexit". The EU is a brilliant idea and has done a tremendous amount of good for the continent, however, those days are long passed. It is now ran by a bunch of power hungry bastards hell bent on making sure their agenda is carried out to the full.. The thing I can't understand is, why? Why drag countries who were already running poor economies down further into the bowls of debt with no chance of recovery. The EU was meant to help out our neighbours when times were tough, but now they're treated as the whipping boys and debt bins. Just ins't good enough, and certainly not an ethic I want to be a part of.

Time will tell what sort of "deal" we get. I just hope its someone with a back-bone who get's sent in to deal with them, and not some slimy yes man with his own progression at the top of the list.

ginge · #6 Post by **ginge** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:32 pm

Willopotomas wrote:It is now ran by a bunch of power hungry bastards hell bent on making sure their agenda is carried out to the full.

Sounds much like UK politicians to me.

As a relatively young person (apparently) it has irked me that the right to go to other countries relatively freely has been taken away, although it's likely this could be re-instated if the UK wants easier trade it seems. I like to consider myself reasonably well educated and work for the NHS and along with lots of people I know of similar situations (late 20's-early30's) are actively looking to leave the country.

I think people should be slightly worried how many younger skilled people (not just medical) now feel alienated and are looking to go as that will really hit the country, assuming the politicians havent already managed it with their dick waving competition!

wayno · #7 Post by **wayno** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:52 am

I don't want to sound disrespectful of your opinion, or even racist, but can I ask where the f&*% you would go if you left the UK? The rest of Europe apart from Germany is in a worse financial state than my girlfriends bank account after a shoe shop sale.

The UK and Germany are the only two profitable countries left, and france are just about keeping their head above water.

If you wanted to leave for financial reasons you'd have to leave the EU anyway at which point travel restrictions become irrelevant (not that there will be any, you could move around most of Europe before the EC was invented just using a UK passport).

#8 Post by **mangocrazy** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:02 am

I think people forget that prior to the UK joining the EEC (as it originally was), people still went on holidays abroad, still worked abroad and still bought property abroad. People also assume an instant worst case scenario will develop, which I believe to be unlikely. While I (and everyone else) cannot be sure how things will develop, I find it reasonable to assume that we will come to some halfway house kind of arrangement with the EU that will leave a fair amount of the current access available, but with some inevitable restrictions. It's in nobody's interests to start putting 'closed' signs up everywhere.

None of this stuff will happen overnight, and the clock only starts ticking after Article 50 has been invoked.

And younger people have always felt alienated and have always blamed their elders for everything. I know - I was one once...

wayno · #9 Post by **wayno** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:36 am

Let's be honest we're not the only country wanting to leave the EU, I think there will be a few countries following our lead now in having referendums.

Maybe we should go off and start up our own single market as was the original plan, before the Brussels powerhouse started up.

fatboy · #10 Post by **fatboy** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:53 pm

I actually voted to remain for stability reasons as an exit will see a fair bit of disruption, higher education will suffer, but these will be the immediate and hopefully short term wounds.
In order to secure decent trade deals inter EU immigration will have to remain fluid, so the scare monger tactics proved to be pretty much bullshit.
On reflection,with some tactful negotiation we should be a lot better off, not beholden to a superstate,
Thank fuck Boris is now out of the running but I'm not hopeful about any of the other candidates....

ginge · #11 Post by **ginge** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:19 pm

wayno wrote:I don't want to sound disrespectful of your opinion, or even racist, but can I ask where the f&*% you would go if you left the UK? The rest of Europe apart from Germany is in a worse financial state than my girlfriends bank account after a shoe shop sale.

The UK and Germany are the only two profitable countries left, and france are just about keeping their head above water.

If you wanted to leave for financial reasons you'd have to leave the EU anyway at which point travel restrictions become irrelevant (not that there will be any, you could move around most of Europe before the EC was invented just using a UK passport).

Yep, I'd be looking to leave Europe. All countries have similar problems I'd imagine. Australia or Canada are the obvious options, although racism levels in Oz are worse, arguably. Being in Canada involves bears and lumberjacks who wear womens clothing as far as I'm aware, though debateable if thats an issue depending on your viewpoint.

Viking · #12 Post by **Viking** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:40 am

Australians aren't racist. We hate everyone equally.

Willopotomas · #13 Post by **Willopotomas** » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:32 pm

Being able to democratically elect the people who are supposed to be our servants plays a big part in the society I have grown up in. Our democratic rights have been slowly taken from us with barely an eye-brow raised. IF those rights were taken away in one fell swoop, I seriously doubt this debate would even be taking place.

Gio · #14 Post by **Gio** » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:54 pm

fatboy wrote:Thank fuck Boris is now out of the running but I'm not hopeful about any of the other candidates....

I couldn't agree more, much as half the UK hated her we need a Maggie Thatcher now.

BikerGran · #15 Post by **BikerGran** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:37 am

I wouldn't go that far Peter but we DO need a leader, and they seem to be thin on the ground.