New rider laws

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#1 Post by **Kwackerz** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:34 pm

Anyone got any info on the new moped shite?

I know from the start of the year that new riders are restricted to 28mph (unlike the old 30mph) but trying to find what 'machine' comes inside that class is an absolute fuggin' nightmare.

Category AM (moped)

The moped you use for your test in 2014 must:
be a two-wheeled machine
be 50 cubic centimetres (cc) capacity or less
have a top design speed of no more than 28 mph (45km/h)

Even a crunchie of 70's vintage falls outside this..

Anyone know of dealers selling 'AM' machines?
Sam Jr. is 16 soon and I want to get him something that isn't Chinese..

Tonyunn · #2 Post by **Tonyunn** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:03 pm

Not really as much to do with this actual thread but limiting people on the road to 28mph is akin to clubbing baby seals.
I speak from bitter experience after nearly running into the back of some pillock of a driver doing 20mph in a street that had clearly marked 30 mph signs, and no I wasn't tearing up the street but 20 mph is too slow for modern traffic. I also believe that a bike capable of 40mph would be a better limit, it gives people a chance to break or obey the speed limit, a bike restricted to 28 mph basically means that the rider can't break any limits so it's balls out everywhere.

Rant over

Dalemac · #3 Post by **Dalemac** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:42 pm

Agreed, smaller bikes are death traps as they are. Making them slower only makes it worse.

We are now going to have people overtaking (potentially dangerously, too) in 30mph when 'stuck' behind a moped doing 28mph.

I swear to god these idiots don't have any idea what cause and consequence is.

fatboy · #4 Post by **fatboy** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:10 pm

A 28mph limit is madness !
I recently went to a work thing in Brum so used the work brand new Astra van, limited to 68 mph... too slow to even think about overtaking in lane 3 on M5/M42
28mph top whack is not a good idea at all.
Hopefully you can quell his hormone levels till the age of 17 ?

D-Rider · #5 Post by **D-Rider** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:29 pm

Didn't know about the new rules - it takes an unbelievably stupid situation and makes it just that bit more insane.

When my Joe started on a 50cc scooter, "I have some suspicions" that it might have been de-restricted when we bought it (not that I'd have any idea how to check it, officer). I certainly wouldn't have been happy letting him loose on the city streets on something that couldn't keep up with even slow traffic. Might not have been strictly legal but I'd sooner have him alive/not seriously injured.

Putting young inexperienced kids on the most inherently unsafe machines is just bureaucratic irresponsibility.

#6 Post by **Kwackerz** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:57 pm

fatboy wrote:A 28mph limit is madness !
I recently went to a work thing in Brum so used the work brand new Astra van, limited to 68 mph... too slow to even think about overtaking in lane 3 on M5/M42
28mph top whack is not a good idea at all.
Hopefully you can quell his hormone levels till the age of 17 ?

He's already building a cafe racer crunchie up for when he's 17.

Just need a make and model of something non-chinese. (non exploding/falling apart)

Guaranteed he will be doing 45 on it.. regardless of the rules. He comes from a family of bikers and he's a dab hand at tuning them without any help

blinkey501 · #7 Post by **blinkey501** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:16 am

Not a british rule but an EU one. Again we are being told what to do.
I have notice the site speed limit on motorway works is 11 MPH? That equates to 20 Kilomiters.
And some not all lorrys are being restricted to 52 MPH which adds up to 85 Kilomiters?
I did also heard sometime last week that the british number plate is planned to be scrapped so we can.... You guessed it have an EU one.

D-Rider · #8 Post by **D-Rider** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:05 am

blinkey501 wrote:Not a british rule but an EU one. Again we are being told what to do.

No we're not being told what to do. Just as with all of the other EU countries we have an equivalent level of representation and the representatives from all over try to come up with policies that work across Europe. Generally that's a very good thing - particularly traffic regulations being harmonised when you drive from one country to the next.
It's just the same with westminster. People come together from all the cities and towns to decide on things that work across the whole country. Just the scale is different.

This particular policy is barking but to suggest that we are being victimised by the other members of the EU is sheer nonsense.

Willopotomas · #9 Post by **Willopotomas** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:38 pm

We want their trade, not their laws. If they're happy to live out of each others pockets and in each others courts, then let um. Grr.. Why does it all have to be the bloody same? Load of shite. Couldn't win a fuckin war, so they'll destroy us through the courts.

Leaving this here and not coming back to this post. Piss is getting right up to boiling point!

blinkey501 · #10 Post by **blinkey501** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:59 pm

D-Rider wrote:
blinkey501 wrote:Not a british rule but an EU one. Again we are being told what to do.
No we're not being told what to do. Just as with all of the other EU countries we have an equivalent level of representation and the representatives from all over try to come up with policies that work across Europe. Generally that's a very good thing - particularly traffic regulations being harmonised when you drive from one country to the next.
It's just the same with westminster. People come together from all the cities and towns to decide on things that work across the whole country. Just the scale is different.

This particular policy is barking but to suggest that we are being victimised by the other members of the EU is sheer nonsense.

I didn't say we was being victimised Andy. But.... Now you come to mention it.
We have got along with our own set of rules for a long time. What I am saying is that the EU want to change them?
You call it being victimised? To me two different things.
Many moons ago we had a maniac that wanted to rule the world and our fathers and grandfathers and them before them fought against him.
Now some. Not all are happy to gladly live by these rules. I don't agree with them.
The number plate change that I heard suggested. Why change it?
I am the type of fella who thinks that if something is not broken why try and fix it?
I think that there are some who are just trying to justify their jobs.

#11 Post by **Kwackerz** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:30 pm

not many people know....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... ad_network

Theyre already' E numbering' our road network and have for years.. (Ireland shows theirs England and Scotland dont)

That's where it will have started with the numberplate change, etc etc

If we got the speed limits, I'd be more than happy.

D-Rider · #12 Post by **D-Rider** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:39 pm

blinkey501 wrote: Many moons ago we had a maniac that wanted to rule the world and our fathers and grandfathers and them before them fought against him.

... and this is the most important part of the EU and the one that is far too infrequently mentioned.
A large part of the purpose of this greater interdependence of the peoples of all European nations was to make it much harder to go to war amongst ourselves again. Of course things aren't perfect but by and large it's worked with an unprecedented period of peace between the nations that are part of the EU.

The frightening things are what comes from those parties and groups that try to move us away - yes the same creation of fear of other ethnic groups and the focus on a superior nationalism - the echoes of how the National Socialists swayed a nation to look the other way and then to act are worrying.

Yes the EU gets things wrong just as every level of government gets things wrong but it's not the EU imposing things on "us" - we are the EU on the same level as every other member nation.

blinkey501 · #13 Post by **blinkey501** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:57 am

D-Rider wrote:
blinkey501 wrote: Many moons ago we had a maniac that wanted to rule the world and our fathers and grandfathers and them before them fought against him.
... and this is the most important part of the EU and the one that is far too infrequently mentioned.
A large part of the purpose of this greater interdependence of the peoples of all European nations was to make it much harder to go to war amongst ourselves again. Of course things aren't perfect but by and large it's worked with an unprecedented period of peace between the nations that are part of the EU.

The frightening things are what comes from those parties and groups that try to move us away - yes the same creation of fear of other ethnic groups and the focus on a superior nationalism - the echoes of how the National Socialists swayed a nation to look the other way and then to act are worrying.

Yes the EU gets things wrong just as every level of government gets things wrong but it's not the EU imposing things on "us" - we are the EU on the same level as every other member nation.

As per usual Andy you are right. I can't be arsed....

#14 Post by **mangocrazy** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:55 am

D-Rider wrote:The frightening things are what comes from those parties and groups that try to move us away - yes the same creation of fear of other ethnic groups and the focus on a superior nationalism - the echoes of how the National Socialists swayed a nation to look the other way and then to act are worrying.

Unfortunately, the EU and its apparently unaccountable bureaucrats are the ones driving large swathes of the population of certain countries (France with the FN and the party in Greece whose name I forget) into the arms of fringe parties that have dubious links to the extreme right. The EU needs to take a good look at itself, or it may just provoke what it is trying to prevent.

D-Rider wrote:Yes the EU gets things wrong just as every level of government gets things wrong but it's not the EU imposing things on "us" - we are the EU on the same level as every other member nation.

A lot of that is down to the UK and its application of certain laws. If (for example) the French don't like a particular law they largely ignore it, while we tend to implement everything unquestioningly. The problem lies when the EU exceeds its original mandate and tries to impose a 'one size fits all' regime of law, without taking into account national differences and sensibilities.

D-Rider · #15 Post by **D-Rider** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:41 pm

blinkey501 wrote:
As per usual Andy you are right. I can't be arsed....

Apologies for pissing you off Jay.
As with everyone I'm not always right but where I think I am, I'll stick up for what I believe to be right. Not always popular but hey.

With europe, we only ever seem to hear the negative and someone needs to start balancing things out.

And Graham, I don't disagree with your analysis. The EU Commission badly needs to be made more accountable.
Nevertheless I'll not be wanting to throw the baby out with the bathwater.