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Death crash policewoman escapes charges (One for TC)

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:14 pm
by Willopotomas
Are you able to shed any light on this TC? Something sounds a bit off to me.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/ ... s-charges/

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:18 pm
by Cathcart
Quite bad to think that someone had died and there's absolutely no prosecution. She pulled out regardless, witnesses say he wasn't speeding... So, am I missing something or is it still her fault for pulling out?... Unless there's something I'm missing then this annoys me massively.

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:43 pm
by Falcopops
Deffo seems a bit iffy, but the report is from a motorcycle publication and by a journo who wasn't there, so I'm not convinced that's all there is to it.

The admission of use of the mobile should be easily confirmed fro phone records, so she would have to change her story.

I know over here that to use a phone in the car it must be in proper holding device, on your lap is an offence, what are the rules in the UK?

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:24 pm
by D-Rider
Falcopops wrote:
I know over here that to use a phone in the car it must be in proper holding device, on your lap is an offence, what are the rules in the UK?
Same - must be hands-free (and sitting in your lap is not considered as such ....) ..... and you can't turn the speaker on without touching it.

As Cathcart says, she pulled out anyway - so if she wasn't wilfully distracted the likelihood is she pulled out recklessly.

Though all said, I don't know enough of the facts so it's all conjecture.

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:34 pm
by BikerGran
She wasn't a policewoman but a special - a 'hobby bobby'. And the biker was one of our club members. MCN wasn't far out, here's the original from our local paper.

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/1 ... mmentsList

Re: Death crash policewoman escapes charges (One for TC)

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:08 am
by T.C.
Willopotomas wrote:Are you able to shed any light on this TC? Something sounds a bit off to me.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/ ... s-charges/
She should have been prosecuted and convicted Simples :smt009

As mentioned, she was a special Hobby Bobby not a regular, and many of the problems have arisen since Specials have been allowed to drive marked police vehicles which was never allowed at one time, and from my inside information, this hobby bobby thought she was above the law and teflon coated.

CPS decided not to prosecute even though it was proven that she lied to the investigators, and the evidence was good.

However, (and why am I not surprised) CPS decide that it would be easier not to prosecute rather than give it a run for its money. Even the investigating Police officers told the CPS that they really must prosecute, but that fell on deaf ears

Have a look at the link

http://www.policeoracle.com/news/HR,+Pe ... 61316.html

That tells you how stupid and incompetent the CPS are.

But bottom line and back to the original question, I am in full agreement, she should have been prosecuted and convicted.

On the plus side, although the civil case is going to take a while and the action id against the Police service, she is going to suffer years of having to answer questions and being reminded and having to declare it for her own policies.

Not much consolation to the family, but it will at least give this tart some grief for time to come

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:46 am
by Dalemac
Hopefully at the very least she will loose her 'special constable' status, be thrown out of the police.

Can't they ban her from driving or something?

The justice system is a joke. People have been imprisoned for wandering over the speed limit. All because 'speed kills'.

The only logical conclusion that I can draw is that speeding, per trial, kills more (harder? faster? more motivation to kill?) than *actual murder*, per trial.

So murder is less criminal than speeding?

OK.... There are some people down in London that have been pissing me off for a few years....

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:26 pm
by T.C.
Dalemac wrote:Hopefully at the very least she will loose her 'special constable' status, be thrown out of the police.

Can't they ban her from driving or something?

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I doubt she will be a Special for very much longer.

However the only people who can ban her from driving are the courts and that is not going to happen as the CPS have decided not to prosecute.

She certainly won't drive a Police vehicle again though.

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:35 pm
by Dalemac
T.C. wrote:However the only people who can ban her from driving are the courts and that is not going to happen as the CPS have decided not to prosecute.
Is there no option to appeal? The thought of this woman driving on the road again is absurd! Not even an extended retest?

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:12 pm
by BikerGran
The police inspector did go back to the CPS to ask them to change their decision but no go.
The woman finally resigned from the Specials, I would think it very likely that it was made clear that she was no longer welcome.

As many have said, the 'justice' system is a joke. A bad one.

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:22 pm
by T.C.
Dalemac wrote:
T.C. wrote:However the only people who can ban her from driving are the courts and that is not going to happen as the CPS have decided not to prosecute.
Is there no option to appeal? The thought of this woman driving on the road again is absurd! Not even an extended retest?
The family of the deceased could consider a private prosecution, but this can be a difficult path.

I imagine that what the family really want is closure.

As BG said the CPS was asked to reconsider its decision not to prosecute, but as usual they (The CPS) decided to take the easy option even in the face of compelling evidence and simply drop it.

Not the first time this has happened and sure won't be the last

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:04 pm
by D-Rider
I presume the CPS are answerable to a Government Minister who is answerable to Parliament?

If so, a mailing campaign to MPs and/or a (properly worded and constructed) on-line petition to the Government might be worthwhile - probably somewhat more effective than "liking" on Farcebook ..............

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:58 pm
by lazarus
Falcopops wrote:Deffo seems a bit iffy, but the report is from a motorcycle publication and by a journo who wasn't there, so I'm not convinced that's all there is to it.
Its also from a motorcyle publication that tries to create a persecution mentality amongst bikers.
D-Rider wrote:I presume the CPS are answerable to a Government Minister who is answerable to Parliament?
Not in the way you suggest - thank God. Do you really want political prosecutions? Ministers deciding who will and who will not be prosecuted?

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:04 pm
by BikerGran
lazarus wrote:
Falcopops wrote:Deffo seems a bit iffy, but the report is from a motorcycle publication and by a journo who wasn't there, so I'm not convinced that's all there is to it.
Its also from a motorcyle publication that tries to create a persecution mentality amongst bikers.
As I said above, here's the original report from our local paper, the Bournemouth Echo.

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/1 ... mmentsList

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:07 pm
by BikerGran
An online petition is being prepared, and there is a Facebook page to co-ordinate the campaign - it's just been started and it's all a bit new. Not sure if many people here are on FB but here's the link for anyone who wants it....

https://www.facebook.com/JusticeForDavidBartholomew